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Join us for an enlightening conversation with Dr. John E. Lewis, PhD, the driving force behind Dr. Lewis Nutrition, as we promise a deep dive into the transformative power of nutrition and exercise. From his sports-filled childhood to his journey as a drug-free competitive bodybuilder, Dr. Lewis reveals how these experiences shaped his understanding of nutrition's impact on physical performance and health. We explore his steadfast belief that health is the ultimate gift, transcending material wealth, and the urgent need for a shift in perspective to prioritise prevention and nutrition over pharmaceutical solutions.
Dr. Lewis shares his groundbreaking research in Alzheimer's and multiple sclerosis, shedding light on the critical role of the immune system and the potential benefits of polysaccharides from aloe vera and rice bran. He candidly discusses the challenges in advancing non-conventional health solutions amidst a healthcare system often resistant to change. Listeners will gain insight into the frustrating barriers faced in Alzheimer's research and the necessity of questioning traditional medical practices to embrace innovative approaches.
As we wrap up the episode, Dr. Lewis offers practical health strategies for optimal living, emphasising the importance of a plant-based lifestyle, adequate vitamin D intake, and stress management. Hear how his personal transition from a standard American diet to a plant-based one has led to significant health benefits, and why he advocates for informed dietary choices. This conversation is not just about rethinking health and nutrition; it's an invitation to challenge societal norms and prioritise well-being in our daily lives.
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Speaker 1: today we are joined by dr john e lewis, phd, very
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formal um name there.
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John is the founder president of dr lewis nutrition.
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He has a patch, a passion for educating others about the
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importance of nutrition, dietary supplementation and exercise
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for health and and, in particular, he studies and
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applies clinical nutrition for the benefit of mankind.
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Dr Lewis embodies the model of health he promotes to others by
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eating a whole food, plant-based diet for over 27 years and
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taking certain key dietary supplements.
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He also utilizes a rigorous daily exercise training program,
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which I'm super interested to hear all about.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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It's great to have you here.
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I'm looking forward to getting stuck into our conversation.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nadine, for having me.
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It's my pleasure to be here.
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Welcome to our conversation today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
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Me too, Welcome to our conversation today.
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Yeah, me too.
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Me too.
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I'm going to hand straight over to you to give us a brief
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introduction from your side of things.
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I've read my little intro and then we'll get stuck into
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talking all about the things health supplementation,
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nutrition and optimal exercise.
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I think they're the things.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that more or less covers it.
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Well, I've spent, I would say, the better part of my life being
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involved in something related to either physical activity or
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sports or nutrition or all of the above.
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So depending on which stage in life I was in would have been,
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you know, something related to all of that, even going all the
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way back to when I was just a little kid, four or five years
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old, and started playing baseball.
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So from there I played sports through my childhood and teenage
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years and then I got into drug-free competitive
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bodybuilding in college.
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I didn't pursue that too long because I realized pretty
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quickly that to really do anything in bodybuilding you
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need to take drugs and I just I wasn't willing to do that.
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I didn't.
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I didn't see myself making a living as a bodybuilder and I
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just didn't.
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It didn't resonate with me to do to go down that road.
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I mean, I don't really hold it against people who do.
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Obviously you still have to train very hard.
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You can't just stick a needle in your butt and and then expect
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to look incredible.
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You still have to work very hard.
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But I just wasn't willing to take those risks.
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But what competitive bodybuilding did for me?
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Was it really sort of formalized or created more of a
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professional orientation in my own mind about the value of food
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and nutrition and how nutrients impact our functioning.
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I really didn't think you know anything about that till I
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actually started studying physiology to the degree of you
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know that level of learning about all the technical ins and
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outs of cellular physiology.
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But I mean, up until that point I had played sports, as you
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know, just being a competitive person and loving the pursuit of
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, you know, playing games.
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But really bodybuilding, to have any level of success, even
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if you are natural, you really have to have a very professional
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approach to it, otherwise, you know, you can't do anything.
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So I give bodybuilding that much credit at least, even though I
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didn't pursue it that long and also I just couldn't.
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I couldn't handle it on top of a very demanding profession or
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work schedule.
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I just worked too much and as I was launching my academic
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career at that time in my life and I'm working, you know, 60,
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70, 80 hours a week and then I'm trying to compete in
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bodybuilding on top of it, it just didn't.
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You know too much.
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There's just only so many, so many hours in a day and you only
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have so much energy in the gas tank, so to speak.
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So and then after that, after I got out of the competitive
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aspect of bodybuilding, I still can.
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I still can, even to this day, all these years later, I still
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train as a as a bodybuilder, if you will like.
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That's the type of routine that my body likes and and that's
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the type of training that I do.
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We can talk about that more later.
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But I really shifted my focus from more of a physical
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performance, sports orientation to a health performance, which
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you know.
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Obviously, if you're blessed genetically to be able to play a
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sport for a living, you know you're one of a very select few
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people all around the world.
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But for everyone else, if you're not taking into
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consideration what you're doing in terms of your behaviors for
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your health, then you know.
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Obviously that's a big reason why we have rampant chronic
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disease throughout humanity today.
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But nonetheless, as I changed my perspective around health and
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really looking at how health is your truly, I mean other than
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the amount of time we have in this life I feel like health is
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our number one gift.
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I mean, unless you're born, you know, with some genetic issue,
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that's obviously very sad and unfortunate, but for those of us
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who are not.
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You know your health is really.
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I don't care how much money excuse me how much money you
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have or other physical possessions, if you're not
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healthy, you know really what.
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Don't care how much money excuse me how much money you
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have or other physical possessions, if you're not
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healthy, you know really what does all that matter, right?
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I mean, you can have all the money in the world, but if
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you're not healthy look at Steve Jobs he died when he was what?
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58, 59?
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He was a billionaire, but his money couldn't save him from
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pancreatic cancer.
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So, anyway, if you think of health as your number one
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priority in your life or your number one gift, I think we
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would have so many, you know just such a better world, right?
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I mean, I can't really speak to the Australian experience per
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se, this is more of the US experience, but I know we're
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just being.
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Our country is literally going down the tubes due to chronic
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disease, and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing to some
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degree, although I don't, quite frankly, I don't have the time
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To spend, you know, like you know, in a one on one business.
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That's why I got into the dietary supplement world,
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because I felt like I had the opportunity to affect more lives
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.
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The opportunity to affect more lives sort of across the board,
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you know, as opposed to just working like in a one-on-one
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type of job or business.
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But it's just so for me, like my mission in life, my purpose is
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to help people understand the value of health and how to
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achieve it through nutrition and supplements and exercise.
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And then, oh, for 20 or so years I spent all that time in
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academics at the University of Miami, at the medical school,
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running clinical trials in these same areas.
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And then I was very fortunate to have met a couple of people
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who introduced me to their stories in life related to
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polysaccharides.
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Their stories in life related to polysaccharides One Dr Reg
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McDaniel, about aloe vera and the other, ms Barbara Kimley,
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about rice bran, and I mean they just complete.
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Not only did they change my career, they changed my life,
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because that's why I'm actually talking to you today.
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That's a big part of the work that I did excuse me as an
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academic.
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And then it was really kind of excuse me the beginning of the
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end of my academic career when we started making some of these
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very significant discoveries with these polysaccharides.
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It ended up leading me down a path that I didn't really
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realize what I was doing at that moment, but it took me down a
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path of ultimately exiting academics and going into
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business because we made some very profound discoveries in
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Alzheimer's disease that I thought at that moment was going
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to project me down a research career the rest of my life, but
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it was not meant to be.
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I could not get more funding from the NIH and the Alzheimer's
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Association.
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I had something really exciting on my hands and I got no
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response from it, and so over about a four-year period from
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the point we published our first article from our Alzheimer's
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study in 2013 to May of 2017, when I left academics at that
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point, I had decided I'm not spending whatever you know,
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years or decades left of my life trying to get these so-called
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experts in health, these bureaucrats, to recognize what
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we had on you know the table here, what we were presenting as
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an opportunity to really help people with neurodegeneration,
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and it was very obvious to me at that point that these people
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are looking for opportunities with pharmaceutical companies or
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with you know some sort of a genetics or you know something
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in the pharma tech world that doesn't really have anything to
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do with nutrition.
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So, while they may present publicly that they have interest
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in nutrition, the reality is is that we presented data to them
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that are still profound.
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I mean, here we're talking 11 years later, going on 12 years,
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next year, and there's still never been anything else to show
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the benefit of these polysaccharides on.
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That we used in people with moderate to severe Alzheimer's
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disease again demonstrated effects on all those different
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outcomes that you can compare to , certainly the five FDA
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approved drugs for dementia.
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Any kind of diet, any other dietary supplement, exercise,
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hyperbaric oxygen, acupuncture, red light therapy, music therapy
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, sound therapy you name it Any other kind of treatment has not
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showed anything like what we did .
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We showed clinically and statistically significant
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improvement in cognitive function according to the
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ADAS-COG, which is the gold standard for assessing cognitive
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function in people with any type of dementia.
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That assessment has been published in probably thousands
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of articles over the last several decades, so it is the
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gold standard for determining someone's level of cognitive
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function.
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And again, nothing else has shown that in people with
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moderate to severe Alzheimer's disease.
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So when I made this discovery again I was on cloud nine, I was
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on top of the mountain.
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I thought, oh, my goodness, I'm onto something here that's
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going to be truly groundbreaking and having the opportunity to
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help a lot of people I don't know.
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In Australia, but in the United States, alzheimer's is now the
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sixth leading killer of Americans.
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Australia, but in the United States.
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Alzheimer's is now the sixth leading killer of Americans and
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it's costing us somewhere between $500 billion and a
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trillion dollars per year in direct and indirect care costs
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medical costs.
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It also wrecks the caregiver.
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It's not just a disease of one person, it's actually a disease
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of two, in the sense that you have the person who is dealing
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with the disease and then you have the caregiver who has the
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worst health outcomes of any other type of caregiver, be it
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cancer, hiv, heart disease, whatever.
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So you're actually talking about a disease that not just
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kills the person who gets it, but it kills the primary
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caregiver.
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And then, of course, it's wrecking us financially, at a
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macro level in our economy.
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So it's, and then there's no.
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Again, I mentioned the five FDA approved drugs for dementia.
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They don't do anything.
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I mean they might delay progression of the disease for a
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few months to up to a year, but then after that the person just
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continues falling off the cliff and I mean forget a treatment.
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The scientific community cannot even come up with any consensus
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on what actually causes the disease.
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There's kind of an ongoing.
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It's almost like a joke that if you meet somebody with
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Alzheimer's disease, you've met like an N of one.
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In other words, there's no average to this disease.
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Everybody has his or her own unique course or ideology of
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what's going on.
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So we, you know again, I mean, we were just like blown away.
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And oh, by the way, I should also credit, besides Dr McDaniel
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, a family, a lady, ann Brazel, who was listening to Dr McDaniel
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give a lecture about his successes with people with
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Alzheimer's, parkinson's and MS, and she came up to him after
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his lecture and they decided to um, they decided to, you know,
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start talking about what he was doing, and she and her husband
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ultimately decided to um make a donation to research.
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Uh, because they had some extra money and they had had four
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family members die of Alzheimer's disease, and so it
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was only through the generosity of this one family that we even
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had the opportunity to run that study.
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Otherwise you and I probably wouldn't even be having this
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conversation today.
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The fact that we had this one family be very generous, give us
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money to run this study.
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We ran this study, we got these incredible results, and then we
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could not get the government or the Alzheimer's Association to
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give us more money to extend this line of research.
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The government or the Alzheimer's Association to give
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us more money to extend this line of research, despite the
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fact that we had results that were better than anything else
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out there and still today are better than anything else out
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there you can find in the scientific literature.
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It still is, on one level, mind-boggling that this even
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happened, but again, it didn't deter me from pursuing or what I
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feel like is my own mission in life, which is again to talk
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about these polysaccharides that most people have no clue about,
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and to share this message of hope and hopefully help people
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along the way.
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And so that's who I am today and, as you mentioned in your
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intro about me, I live.
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What I feel like is a life that hopefully helps to inspire
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people on a personal level too, because I feel like if I weighed
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400 pounds and I was at a lecture, at a conference giving
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a lecture, and I look like I couldn't even walk across the
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stage without falling down from a heart attack or a stroke, you
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know who would take me seriously , like you wouldn't.
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Even you'd look at that guy and say, well, he may know what
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he's talking about, but he doesn't practice it.
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So for me, that level of let's call it face validity or
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credibility is very important, not only from all of the work
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that I have done in my academic career and all the research I've
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conducted, but also, just, you know, personally living a life
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of using the things, the tools that I advise other people and
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suggest people to utilize in their own lives, and not be a
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hypocrite.
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You know, live.
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Whatever it is that you believe in and whatever it is that you
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say you think should be done, then do it.
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You know, like there's to me, there's nothing worse than a
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hypocrite.
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So that's who I am and that's what I'll continue to do for the
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rest of my life, and I really can't see doing anything else,
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quite frankly.
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I mean, this is what I love to do and I love to help people and
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and hopefully, build a successful business along the
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way, although I will say that from leaving academics although
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I felt like I had gotten punched in the gut a few times by these
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bureaucrats that wouldn't give me more funding well, certainly,
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being in the business world has been no bowl of cherries either
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.
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That was your preparation.
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Speaker 1: That was your preparation.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, I've been punched in the gut many
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times over the last seven and a half years.
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In fact, I even have a company right now knocking off my
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product.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Which is, I'm sure, a challenge when it comes to any
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kind of supplementation.
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Like other people on that, that's right, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: but you know what I don't?
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I mean younger.
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When I in my younger days, I would have gotten angry, I would
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have wanted to pursue legal action and get caught up in a
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bunch of uh you know really bad feelings.
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Now I just have to like, I just have to put it in the back
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somewhere and just keep moving forward.
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If people want to steal and be devious and unethical and all
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that, yeah, you put your energy into the wrong thing about
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fighting.
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Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Right, instead of keeping your energy where it's
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important for you, and that's that's right.
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Your message out there.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry that was a very long winded
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introduction.
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Speaker 1: That's great Good to have some background, and there
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was a whole bunch of things that um jumped out.
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Um like obviously the the alzheimer stuff is really um
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prominent.
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I've I'm 50, so I've got friends who are around the same
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age, whose parents are in that kind of age bracket, and I've
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heard, at least I reckon, half a dozen people in my kind of um
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circles of people I know that have a parent that's um, got
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dementia or alzheimer's, and it's umilitating, so sad and
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like to them there.
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see, it seems like there's, it's just like that's.
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That's it, that's the way it is .
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It's just going to get worse and there's no positive outcome.
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So really, yeah, obviously, like would love to talk to you
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about the product, your products and how they work, but I think
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it's really interesting and we don't necessarily need to go
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down this rabbit hole.
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But what you were saying about, like the fact that you you
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couldn't get funding none of the people that you would hope
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would be promoting this kind of discovery to help the
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exponential amount of people that are experiencing
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Alzheimer's billions of dollars being spent like we got to go.
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Come on, people listen, like what, what's going on here?
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And I reckon that, like I take my hat off to you, you've been
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doing this work for over a decade like this is really a
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testament to uh, there probably not being any such thing as an
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overnight success, success, right, you've been working,
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really, you've been working your butt off for this and um, like.
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I reckon that you would come up across a whole bunch of people
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that go oh no, well that you know the professionals aren't
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advertising it, so he must be mad.
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That's right, yeah, but it's like you've got nothing to lose.
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You've got nothing to lose If the prognosis from the medical
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profession is one of like, oh well, you know, too bad, this is
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what you can expect to see.
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You know, that decline that you talked about over a period of
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time.
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There's nothing we can do about it.
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Compared to you, who's got something where you've proven it
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, you're not just like some quack who's you know, pretending
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that you've got this miracle cure.
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You've actually done the work.
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You've done the background research, you've got the papers
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written and it's like well, it's a no brainer.
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Why wouldn't you go down that path instead of the conventional
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?
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There you go, there's my little soapbox rant your perspective
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when, like, people do still trust the medical profession and
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for some, for some purposes, it is good, right it like we, we
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do need it, but there are a whole bunch of there's a whole
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bunch of like undercurrent of stuff where you kind of go
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actually they're not working in our favor.
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You talk about that.
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Actually, you've got a TEDx talk that you did in 2013, tedx
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Miami.
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It's just a 12-minute video.
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I watched it last night and you talk about health care.
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Can you kind of give us a little like what because it's
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totally how I feel, like when you have, um, you know, health,
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health centers where you go to the doctor, but no one's healthy
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there, correct?
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Speaker 2: no, of course not.
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Well, and I I I mean, where do we begin?
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Right, like the United States, we're spending.
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It's now like four point five trillion dollars per year that
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we're throwing into this black hole, basically, and it just
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it's so disturbing, nadine, on so many levels.
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For example, we call what our system is health care again, and
00:21:37
I'm sorry I can't really speak to the Australian experience too
00:21:40
well, but I don't know if you guys call it health care.
00:21:43
Speak to the Australian experience too well, but I don't
00:21:45
know if you guys call it health care.
00:21:46
It's not health care.
00:21:51
I mean, just think of those words for a second.
00:21:52
Our system is management of chronic disease, and it drives
00:21:53
me nuts when people like sugar is another word, we'll talk
00:21:57
about that later.
00:21:58
But you know, use of the language for me is as a, as a
00:22:01
scientist, as a writer and author, all these things that
00:22:05
I've done in my career for me, language, use of the language,
00:22:08
is so crucial and critical and your words mean something, right
00:22:12
, I mean it's obviously actions speak louder than words.
00:22:14
But when you say something or you put something in writing,
00:22:18
people will hold you account, and so I don't like the use of
00:22:23
health care system in the United States.
00:22:26
I mean we may have an opportunity with, you know,
00:22:29
trump getting reelected and now Robert Kennedy hopefully taking
00:22:32
over as secretary of health and human services.
00:22:35
I actually feel, for the first time in my adult life, inspired
00:22:39
that we might actually have some change that can be, you know,
00:22:44
truly powerful not just talk about it, but you know, actually
00:22:49
some good change related to agriculture and food and FDA and
00:22:54
CDC and all these other things.
00:22:56
But I mean we just waste so much money on the wrong things that
00:23:03
unfortunately go all the way back to really when the American
00:23:07
I mean my own sort of superficial research suggests
00:23:12
that the Rockefeller Foundation started the American Medical
00:23:16
Association because at that time in the early 20th century
00:23:21
Rockefeller owning, you know, having basically a monopoly in
00:23:25
petroleum at that time he wanted drugs made from petroleum, and
00:23:29
so one of the ways that he helped to achieve that was to
00:23:32
create the American Medical Association.
00:23:34
That was funded to poo-poo anything that came from nature,
00:23:45
that came from nature, and so there was this gigantic shift
00:23:47
from physicians before that using anything from nature to
00:23:49
help people, you know, combat an illness or virus, bacteria,
00:23:52
whatever.
00:23:52
And then, once the AMA poo-pooed all of that and then
00:23:57
they started using pharmaceuticals that were based
00:24:00
on, again coming from petroleum, I mean it just completely
00:24:04
shifted everything.
00:24:05
And so how ludicrous is it that we talk about medicine as being
00:24:10
medicine, as being the foundation, and nutrition is the
00:24:14
alternative?
00:24:15
Does that make any sense?
00:24:16
I mean, you know, people are just going through life, they're
00:24:20
just kind of like not thinking.
00:24:22
They don't spend the time to critically evaluate anything.
00:24:26
They just go through life and they don't even question things.
00:24:28
But there is no medicine.
00:24:31
There is not one human that has ever been deficient in a
00:24:35
medicine Not one, not one of us.
00:24:38
There's no such thing as a medical medicine, pharmaceutical
00:24:42
deficiency.
00:24:42
There's no such thing as a medical medicine, pharmaceutical
00:24:44
deficiency that is.
00:24:44
Anybody who believes that is I'm sorry, you're ignorant,
00:24:46
stupid, misinformed, brainwashed , whatever.
00:24:50
There is no such thing.
00:24:52
You're not deficient in a statin drug, in a high blood
00:24:56
pressure medication, in a lipid medication, in a depression
00:25:01
medication, in an erectile dysfunction medication.
00:25:04
There's no such thing.
00:25:05
You didn't require that to make up some medical deficiency.
00:25:10
We didn't evolve to need synthetic chemical medications.
00:25:14
Everything starts with nutrients, oxygen being our
00:25:18
first nutrient, and then after that vitamins, minerals, amino
00:25:22
acids, fatty acids, all these other amazing things that plants
00:25:26
give us.
00:25:27
But we have got it so wrong.
00:25:30
We look at not prevention.
00:25:33
In any sense of our system.
00:25:36
There's no such thing as putting a value on prevention.
00:25:40
So all we do is wait till people get sick and then they go
00:25:45
see a physician and their nurse and all these other medical
00:25:48
people, and then they get loaded up on medications and then they
00:25:52
just go into this cycle where they just they take more and
00:25:56
more medications, because now you have all of this
00:25:58
polypharmacy that gets going once you have two or more
00:26:02
medications.
00:26:03
Of this polypharmacy that gets going once you have two or more
00:26:06
medications, and God only knows what polypharmacy effects are,
00:26:07
because they're not studied.
00:26:08
No companies are studying how their drugs interact with other
00:26:14
drugs.
00:26:14
There's no money behind that.
00:26:16
So polypharmacy is just a total Pandora's box.
00:26:21
And so you start down this path and all you're doing is putting
00:26:25
band-aids on symptoms and then eventually you just die because
00:26:29
you've basically depleted your body's capacity to take care of
00:26:33
itself and repair itself, because you've basically never
00:26:38
given it the proper nutrients and nutrition that it needs.
00:26:40
You just keep sucking in all of these, you know, copious
00:26:46
amounts of protein, fat and carbohydrate, but meanwhile the
00:26:49
real nutrition, the micronutrition, is completely
00:26:52
ignored, on top of taking all these medications to treat
00:26:55
symptoms of diseases that largely could be prevented in
00:26:58
the first place, again, if people ate well and supplemented
00:27:02
with a few things and exercised every day.
00:27:05
So, man, this is I mean, this is a soapbox.
00:27:08
I could just go on.
00:27:09
You know, I could just keep running down this soapbox for
00:27:13
hours.
00:27:14
Speaker 1: I know, and it's like so.
00:27:16
It's become so societal, hasn't it?
00:27:20
It's like the expectation that's been created for people
00:27:24
like it's like you're and I talk I've talked about this a lot in
00:27:28
other um podcasts with people it's like that you, you're given
00:27:33
a story, you're given an outline of like you know, you
00:27:36
get you, you get your, you grow up, you go to college, you get a
00:27:40
job, you get married, you buy a house, you have kids, you
00:27:43
retire, you get sick, you go on a medication and you die, right,
00:27:48
right, yeah, that's pretty well .
00:27:50
It's like it's normal.
00:27:52
I'm 50.
00:27:53
I think in australia, it's pretty normal for a 50 year old
00:27:58
to be on at least one type of medication right it could be
00:28:02
hormone replacement therapy for women.
00:28:04
I guess it could be high blood pressure, diabetes, like
00:28:09
something for you know, metformin for polycystic ovarian
00:28:13
syndrome, like there's a whole bunch of common ones that you
00:28:18
know.
00:28:18
Most women would probably be on by the time they're my age, and
00:28:24
no doubt there's a whole bunch of other ones.
00:28:26
Um, but, it's like that's the expectation that's created I
00:28:33
couldn't have said it any better .
00:28:34
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.
00:28:34
We have like this.
00:28:35
It's almost like a fairy tale.
00:28:38
We're presented as children and , like you said, you, you have
00:28:41
this progression that you've been led to believe.
00:28:44
It's the same thing with this whole notion of people always
00:28:48
looking for magic bullets.
00:28:49
Like every time I talk about anything, I mean, whether it's
00:28:53
the nutrition focus or supplement focus or exercise
00:28:56
people always want to know what's that one thing I can do?
00:28:59
Like people never look at their lives holistically and say,
00:29:03
okay, I need to do all these things.
00:29:05
No, I want to know that one thing.
00:29:06
What's the magic bullet?
00:29:08
Like people are so and then you want it instantly right.
00:29:12
Like there's no capacity to like take steps and evaluate and
00:29:17
then make changes in a way that you can say, okay, this worked,
00:29:20
this did not, let me do this, let me do that.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: No, people want it like that and that's why we've
00:29:26
become so dependent on drugs because you, you have all the
00:29:30
time to be sick, right or go down or like, discover, like,
00:29:35
what actually is it that I'm missing from my nutrition or my
00:29:39
lifestyle?
00:29:40
Yeah, Because we're busy, too busy.
00:29:43
Speaker 2: I call it the Tylenol syndrome.
00:29:46
You know, like people, you get a headache, you want to take a
00:29:49
Tylenol and 10 minutes later your headache's gone.
00:29:51
I've had people almost probably half the people who start
00:29:57
taking daily brain care or flagship product.
00:29:59
They want to know how quickly it will work.
00:30:02
And I'm like, well, you know, don't think of it like that,
00:30:05
like this is nutrition, this isn't taking a Tylenol for a
00:30:09
headache and 10 minutes later your headache's gone.
00:30:11
The body has to take time to respond and it does that in a
00:30:18
very methodical way, and some people are super responders.
00:30:21
I get people who will tell me oh, wow, in like a couple of
00:30:24
days I started having more energy, better sleep, all kinds
00:30:29
of things happen.
00:30:29
But the super responders are, you know, a pretty small
00:30:32
percentage of people.
00:30:33
Most people take 30, 60, 90 days and then they start feeling
00:30:38
these effects.
00:30:38
But we're just, we have so many almost like disillusions about
00:30:46
the way the body works.
00:30:47
And you know, again, we live in this fast paced, instant
00:30:51
gratification society where no one has patience for anything.
00:30:56
Now, I mean, forget just the children, now adults.
00:31:00
It's like talking to adults with no attention span drives me
00:31:04
nuts.
00:31:04
I mean, they can't even focus on one topic for more than three
00:31:09
or four minutes, if I'm lucky, and then they're, you know,
00:31:12
jumping to other things.
00:31:12
It's like, man, like you gotta like slow down and take a breath
00:31:19
, or something like you gotta like bring yourself back down to
00:31:23
earth and put both feet on the ground, like I mean again.
00:31:29
I could just go on so many different tangents around this.
00:31:32
We would spend hours on this conversation yeah, and I don't?
00:31:40
We can have a whole series of interviews around this
00:31:42
conversation.
00:31:43
Speaker 1: It's not not the fault of those people.
00:31:45
It's the message of this is what you do, right, and if you
00:31:50
don't question it or if you're caught up in that cycle, then
00:31:56
you don't even realize it's like the matrix right.
00:32:01
Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:32:04
Speaker 2: You want to take the red pill or the blue pill.
00:32:08
Speaker 1: I don't know which one's the best, which one will
00:32:11
work fastest.
00:32:14
Speaker 2: Somehow I got red-pilled.
00:32:16
I don't know how it happened, but I've kind of been red-pilled
00:32:20
my whole life.
00:32:20
Luckily, I don't know, maybe I have an angel or somebody who
00:32:24
sits on my shoulder.
00:32:25
I'd say hey, john, wake up.
00:32:27
Hey, mcfly, anybody home, don't fall for it.
00:32:32
I've been lucky.
00:32:33
I've been resistant to all of that programming and messaging.
00:32:38
I don't know why I didn't grow up in a family that, for example
00:32:42
, I didn't have anybody in my family who ate for health.
00:32:44
We all ate for taste, so it wasn't like there were people in
00:32:48
my family who had, you know, this orientation toward health.
00:32:51
Somehow it just happened for me .
00:32:53
I don't.
00:32:53
I guess it was my own interests in learning about the body and
00:32:58
and wanting to be healthy, because I didn't.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: I didn't model that from anyone in my family and
00:33:03
wanting to be healthy, because I didn't model that from anyone
00:33:06
in my family.
00:33:06
Yeah, I'm pretty much the same.
00:33:08
Actually, it's like evolved over time, but yeah, it's become
00:33:20
like a thing.
00:33:20
I think that we're probably people know where we're coming
00:33:24
from, like.
00:33:33
I think we're coming from a position of like natural health
00:33:34
empowerment, like taking back your personal power and your
00:33:36
choices when it comes to what you put in your body and being
00:33:39
more conscious about that body and being more conscious about
00:33:48
that and actually being more aware of um the impact that you
00:33:50
can have.
00:33:50
Speaker 2: That's right, exactly .
00:33:50
Speaker 1: The possibilities.
00:33:51
Right, it's like and, and I and I think we're talking from a
00:33:56
perspective of um, not only you know good preventative lifestyle
00:34:04
practices, which you're obviously a great demonstration
00:34:07
of, but also the fact that your products have been shown in
00:34:11
trials to help improve people who already have symptoms.
00:34:17
Right To like reverse those negative effects.
00:34:22
So that's a word I heard you say like I don't want to go.
00:34:29
Uh, you know, if you, I'm sure that you'll tell us exactly what
00:34:33
the research shows in terms of that reversing.
00:34:35
Like we don't want to go making any promises or claims that
00:34:39
aren't proven right.
00:34:41
But that's right's right, but you have got, you know, plenty
00:34:46
of medical papers and and research under your belt to
00:34:51
support this um product.
00:34:57
Speaker 2: That's right.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: Which is.
00:34:59
Speaker 2: Which is daily brain care.
00:35:00
Daily brain care is our flagship product and yes, I am
00:35:08
very proud of this product.
00:35:09
It's been it's kind of like my inanimate baby, if you will.
00:35:13
It's basically the culmination of my life's work and of course
00:35:18
I'm not a one-man show.
00:35:19
I have lots of colleagues who have worked with me along the
00:35:23
way.
00:35:23
So by no means am I taking credit for this individually,
00:35:28
especially with Dr McDaniel, I mean I love this man dearly.
00:35:32
He's still kicking it every day .
00:35:34
He's now 87, 88, still goes to his office every day, still
00:35:39
fighting the good fight, still looking for money for research.
00:35:42
I mean, what an incredible man.
00:35:43
I have been so blessed and grateful to have met this man
00:35:47
almost 20 years ago who again changed the course of not just
00:35:51
my career but my life.
00:35:52
But Dr McDaniel is just an incredible person who's only
00:35:57
tried to help people.
00:35:58
I mean person who's only tried to help people.
00:35:59
I mean he.
00:35:59
I'll just tell you very quickly he was a trained pathologist who
00:36:09
about 40 years ago it was 85, 86.
00:36:10
He had a group of guys with HIV come to his office.
00:36:12
They were taking this aloe vera product and they had no viral
00:36:14
load and their CD4 cells were normal.
00:36:16
Total medical heresy, like you can't explain it from a medical
00:36:22
perspective.
00:36:22
And so they were asking him hey , dr McDaniel, can you help us?
00:36:27
You're a pathologist, can you help us understand why this aloe
00:36:30
vera product is helping us be healthy?
00:36:32
Basically have no sign of being infected.
00:36:35
And it took a while.
00:36:37
He thought he was being pranked .
00:36:38
Basically he thought it was a big joke.
00:36:40
And at that point in his career he's just running his pathology
00:36:44
unit at a hospital.
00:36:45
He didn't have any interest in nutrition.
00:36:47
But ultimately those guys changed his life and then he
00:36:52
started down this road of trying to find out and figure out why
00:36:55
aloe vera, why these polysaccharides in aloe vera
00:36:58
were so incredible.
00:36:59
And it led him down a road of basically going from a
00:37:03
pathologist to practicing nutrition and that's where he's
00:37:06
been for the last 40 years.
00:37:08
So then, from the point of that happening in his life to about
00:37:12
20 years later, and then he and I met and now here he and I are,
00:37:15
20 years later almost We've been sharing this journey
00:37:19
together in polysaccharides.
00:37:21
But it's an incredible story, nadine.
00:37:26
I mean I mentioned the cognitive findings that we had in our
00:37:31
Alzheimer's study.
00:37:31
We also showed and this goes back to why it was so effective
00:37:36
for HIV.
00:37:36
But we showed an improvement in overall immune system
00:37:41
functioning according to the CD4 to CD8 ratio, which is
00:37:44
incredible.
00:37:45
That's not just important for people with Alzheimer's, that's
00:37:48
important for all of us.
00:37:49
Our CD4s are our helper cells, our CD8s are our cytotoxic cells
00:37:54
.
00:37:54
So keeping that ratio optimized is important for all of us,
00:37:58
especially as we pass middle age and go through the remainder of
00:38:01
our lives.
00:38:03
We showed a decrease in two proteins called TNF-alpha and
00:38:08
VEGF, vascular endothelial growth factor.
00:38:10
Our paper was probably the first one that published that
00:38:14
finding in people with Alzheimer's disease.
00:38:16
Those proteins are classically looked at as risk factors for
00:38:22
cancer and heart disease, but our paper was probably again the
00:38:25
first one in this population.
00:38:26
Excuse me.
00:38:28
We showed just under a 300% increase in adult stem cell
00:38:33
production according to CD14 cells, which we know from other
00:38:37
research.
00:38:38
Cd14s have the ability to turn into neurons, so these are very
00:38:42
important adult stem cells and we showed in people with
00:38:45
moderate to severe Alzheimer's disease.
00:38:47
I didn't mention on average these people were 79.9 years of
00:38:50
age, so just under 80 years of age.
00:38:53
They didn't just have Alzheimer's, they had diabetes,
00:38:56
depression, different forms of heart disease.
00:38:58
So imagine being able to turn on that adult stem cell
00:39:02
production process to that degree in people at that age and
00:39:06
at that level of impairment, I mean again, it blew us away.
00:39:09
So when you put all of that together and that was in the
00:39:12
first paper we published three other papers since then but you
00:39:16
have all of this going on in the immune system, you're improving
00:39:19
the overall immune system's functioning, you're lowering
00:39:22
inflammation, you're increasing the adult stem cell production.
00:39:26
All of those physiological changes and findings support
00:39:32
what happened on the cognitive or the practical side.
00:39:35
And so it's also important for people to remember.
00:39:38
I know I'm sure a lot of people, a lot of your listeners, when
00:39:41
you hear the immune system, you think of immunity against virus,
00:39:46
bacteria, fungus, anything infectious, and that's
00:39:49
absolutely true.
00:39:50
I'm not saying that's not true, but our immune system is much
00:39:53
more than that.
00:39:54
What our immune system is I love the analogy of the symphony
00:39:57
orchestra is I love the analogy of the symphony orchestra.
00:40:01
So you've got the conductor in front of the symphony doing this
00:40:03
with, you know, the wand and whatever it is that the
00:40:06
conductor does, I have no clue.
00:40:08
But the symphony, you know.
00:40:10
You have different groups of instruments out there and
00:40:12
they're all playing music and the conductor is keeping
00:40:15
everything coordinated and playing properly.
00:40:19
Look at the immune system as the conductor.
00:40:22
The immune system is talking to all of your other major organ
00:40:26
systems and keeping everything playing properly, in balance,
00:40:31
working the way they're supposed to.
00:40:33
So if your immune system is not functioning properly, it's not
00:40:37
surveillance, it's not keeping all these inflammatory signals
00:40:41
in check, either pro or anti-inflammatory.
00:40:43
You cannot possibly expect all of the other major organ systems
00:40:48
to be working properly and doing their jobs as well too.
00:40:51
So it's just incredibly important, this immune system
00:40:54
that literally is from head to toe.
00:40:56
It's got all these different tissues, glands, cells.
00:41:00
It's just an incredible organ system.
00:41:02
And when you think of I mean besides our brain and our heart
00:41:06
and our liver of course, without any of those we obviously don't
00:41:10
live.
00:41:10
But when you think of the importance of the immune system
00:41:14
in that context, of how it keeps everything else in balance and
00:41:18
functioning properly, that's why it's so, so crucial to keep
00:41:22
your immune system fed just as well as you would any other
00:41:28
organ system.
00:41:29
But again, we published all of that in our first paper from
00:41:32
2013.
00:41:33
We've published three papers since then.
00:41:36
We also published three papers from our multiple sclerosis
00:41:41
study, which again showed incredible findings related to
00:41:44
things like reducing infections, which I didn't know at the time
00:41:48
until we ran the study.
00:41:49
But people with MS actually don't die of the
00:41:52
neurodegeneration or the demyelination, they actually die
00:41:56
from infection.
00:41:57
That's the leading cause of mortality in people with MS.
00:42:00
So we showed like a huge reduction infections from the
00:42:05
baseline to the 12-month evaluation.
00:42:08
We showed all sorts of improvements in immune system
00:42:12
functioning, inflammation, quality of life, measures,
00:42:15
functionality.
00:42:15
We published three papers from that study.
00:42:18
So that's seven papers that we've published in combination
00:42:23
from those two clinical trials.
00:42:25
And I would put our work up against without sounding like an
00:42:28
egomaniac or anything, but I would put up our work against
00:42:32
anything else in these two very serious neurodegenerative
00:42:37
diseases that led to the creation of daily brain care
00:42:41
under the Dr Lewis nutrition brand, against anything else out
00:42:45
there.
00:42:45
And to your point, I want to also make sure that people never
00:42:49
say that Lewis said you use nutrition to treat disease.
00:42:52
I'm not saying that at all.
00:42:53
I want to be very clear.
00:42:55
What I'm saying is that the body is so smart and this
00:43:00
inherent intelligence that each one of us has I don't care we
00:43:03
could have a million Einsteins, I don't think we'll ever figure
00:43:06
this out.
00:43:07
There's some intelligence or spark within us, but that spark
00:43:13
causes the genes to interpret everything.
00:43:16
Every time we bend our elbow and stick something in our mouths
00:43:19
and swallow it, that is literally coded information that
00:43:24
our genes look at that information and they say, okay,
00:43:27
it's this, it's that, it's this, it's that.
00:43:29
And then they guide the cells and how to function properly.
00:43:32
And so that works, either to your benefit or your detriment,
00:43:36
depending on you know what it is you're feeding yourself or your
00:43:39
detriment, depending on what it is you're feeding yourself.
00:43:42
So the power of nutrition again , obviously oxygen being our
00:43:47
first nutrient, and then after that we need all these other
00:43:49
things.
00:43:49
But all of that nutrition is so important in allowing the body
00:43:52
to repair, restore and heal itself.
00:43:54
And that's why I put these polysaccharides from aloe vera
00:43:58
and even the rice bran up against anything else that
00:44:01
mother nature provides to us, because I have just seen, time
00:44:04
and time again, people with all sorts of very serious health
00:44:08
challenges, not just in neurodegeneration, but they take
00:44:11
these polysaccharides.
00:44:13
The genes interpret that information because it's like
00:44:16
rocket fuel.
00:44:16
There's no other nutrient that has the combination and the
00:44:21
complexity of structure, of information of these
00:44:24
polysaccharides and then that allows the body to basically
00:44:28
return to homeostasis, whether that's through healing itself
00:44:32
from inflammation, oxidation, neurodegeneration,
00:44:36
carcinogenesis, atherosclerosis, you name it.
00:44:39
There is a whole host of things that I have seen.
00:44:41
But allowing the body to heal itself through the power of
00:44:44
nutrition is a completely different paradigm and model
00:44:49
compared to the pharmacological approach, where they take a
00:44:52
chemical or a synthetic material and then they try to alter a
00:44:56
metabolic pathway which creates adverse effects by the way.
00:44:59
But they try to alter that metabolic pathway which creates
00:45:01
adverse effects by the way.
00:45:02
But they try to alter that metabolic pathway to treat a
00:45:03
symptom of a disease.
00:45:04
That's what drugs do.
00:45:06
So, please, no one put words in my mouth.
00:45:09
I am not saying we are treating disease at all.
00:45:11
I want to be very strict and very careful with the language
00:45:15
that I am not claiming to treat disease at all.
00:45:17
Here I am claiming we are providing the raw materials that
00:45:21
the body needs, that the genes interpret, and then they tell
00:45:25
the cells how to function and the body restores itself.
00:45:28
That's it.
00:45:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, one Disclaimer, but I would like to
00:45:37
add yeah, sure, you're not claiming that you know this
00:45:41
cures.
00:45:42
However, we all have a choice, right, we have a choice of what
00:45:46
we put in and it does have either a negative or positive
00:45:51
impact, and that actually includes our thoughts, no
00:45:56
questions and how we feel about the things that we're putting
00:45:59
into our body that can actually affect the expression of that
00:46:03
food or that supplementation as well.
00:46:06
So, um, yeah, we all, I, I think that it's important to
00:46:10
like, not point and blame and, and you know, say they told me
00:46:14
to do it and it didn't work, or whatever it's like.
00:46:17
Well, we, we all make choices, um, and, you know, for better or
00:46:23
worse sometimes.
00:46:24
Um, I'm conscious that we're edging closer towards the end of
00:46:29
our hour.
00:46:29
I would love for you to talk a little bit.
00:46:32
I reckon that you could talk a lot about it, because this is
00:46:35
the, the uh, the main thing polysaccharides and also um, and
00:46:40
you've kind of talked about.
00:46:41
You have talked about that kind of preventative uh approach and
00:46:47
the, the studies you've done.
00:46:49
So I feel like we've covered that kind of like.
00:46:51
This is going to help people to , you know, potentially feel
00:46:56
better and help their bodies to heal and repair, but I'd love to
00:47:00
hear about your practices in terms of prevention as well.
00:47:07
So those two things polysaccharides the abridged
00:47:11
version.
00:47:13
Speaker 2: Yes, if there is one, well, you can always bring me
00:47:17
back any time.
00:47:18
Speaker 1: Well, we can bring you back and also I'd love to
00:47:20
include links to the papers that you've got for people to peruse
00:47:25
at their leisure.
00:47:26
But yeah, tell me a little bit about polysaccharides, like I
00:47:33
feel like saccharin.
00:47:35
Like you mentioned sugar, is it got anything to do with sugars?
00:47:39
It's complicated, right, because we hear sugar's not good
00:47:44
for us, but then polysaccharide sounds like it's a sugar.
00:47:47
Speaker 2: They are sugars, yes, so, yes, I'm glad you asked me
00:47:53
that, because actually I jumped ahead into the research and
00:47:55
other things and then didn't even define this word, that I
00:47:58
think sugar is one of the most misused words in the health and
00:48:03
wellness field industry, whatever.
00:48:05
But sugar, saccharide and carbohydrate are all synonyms.
00:48:10
They all mean the same thing.
00:48:11
So, please, folks, when somebody tells you or you're
00:48:16
listening to somebody say all sugar is bad for you, that is a
00:48:20
very ignorant statement.
00:48:21
That is absolutely untrue.
00:48:23
Sugars are dependent on their structure and they're dependent
00:48:26
on the source that they come from.
00:48:28
So there are essentially simple and complex carbohydrates for
00:48:34
because I know we don't have a lot of time here but when you
00:48:36
compare simple sugars like high fructose corn syrup that now,
00:48:40
unfortunately, is put in everything as a sweetener it's
00:48:43
cheap, it doesn't cost a lot of money and it's almost, quite
00:48:47
frankly, addictive.
00:48:48
But it spikes your glucose, it spikes your insulin, it sets you
00:48:53
up for metabolic complications down the road.
00:48:56
So I would encourage any of you you read a label that says high
00:48:59
fructose corn syrup on the ingredients, I would probably
00:49:02
consider putting that back.
00:49:03
And then you go all the way to the very end, on the total
00:49:08
opposite end of the spectrum.
00:49:09
Those were monosaccharides, by the way, these are
00:49:12
polysaccharides, so a monosaccharide is one unit or
00:49:17
one molecule of sugar, like a high fructose corn syrup.
00:49:20
Polysaccharides, poly, many saccharides, many sugars like
00:49:25
the ones from aloe vera and rice bran that my colleagues and I
00:49:28
have studied.
00:49:28
These things are complex, very, very dense structures.
00:49:33
They're almost like 5D in orientation.
00:49:34
They can't even be drawn on a piece of paper, and that's the
00:49:36
reason why they can't even be drawn on a piece of paper, and
00:49:38
that's the reason why, or part of the reason why, these things
00:49:41
are so incredibly effective for people and their health.
00:49:46
And so when you talk about these polysaccharides from aloe
00:49:50
vera and rice bran, these are completely different.
00:49:53
Again, these are not the same thing as a high fructose corn
00:49:57
syrup and yet they're all sugars .
00:49:59
So that's why the all sugar is bad for you statement drives me
00:50:03
up the wall, because it's just simply not true.
00:50:06
There are lots of sugars in nature.
00:50:07
They come from lots of different plants and materials,
00:50:11
and so, just again, be mindful of the language and be mindful
00:50:15
of the use of this word sugar, because it's just incredibly and
00:50:20
poorly misused.
00:50:21
And so our research showing these complex sugars are so
00:50:25
beneficial for human health again are on another level, and
00:50:29
that is part of my mission is to help people understand the
00:50:33
differences between all these different types of sugars and
00:50:36
why you cannot just make these blanket statements that, again,
00:50:40
at best they're ignorant and at worst they're just untrue,
00:50:45
they're just not correct.
00:50:47
Speaker 1: Yes, it is complicated, isn't it?
00:50:51
Because there is a problem with people's metabolic health at the
00:50:56
moment in society all over the world, and part of it is because
00:50:59
of those monosaccharides like the yeah that we find in a lot
00:51:07
of food or in inverted commas food, Food-like substances,
00:51:15
Food-like substances, palatable food-like substances that we see
00:51:20
on our supermarket shelves and yeah, so it is complicated, but
00:51:27
it's kind of good that you call it, that you don't actually
00:51:30
refer to them as sugars in your you know, when you're talking
00:51:33
about your product, you talk about polysaccharides, so I
00:51:36
guess a lot of people wouldn't necessarily make the connection
00:51:42
that's right and aloe vera.
00:51:45
We know like for many of us, we know that if you have an aloe
00:51:48
vera plant at home, you can snap it open, you can put it on a
00:51:51
cut and it has like antiseptic or healing properties, soothing
00:51:57
for sunburn.
00:51:58
So we know that it's kind of like a.
00:52:01
Well, I'm assuming most people know that it's um, got healing
00:52:07
properties and so that it's because of those polysaccharides
00:52:10
yeah, okay, cool it's, so you're so saccharines so that
00:52:16
was a great abridged version, thank you.
00:52:19
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I tried to be as brief as I could.
00:52:23
Speaker 1: And I feel like we've kind of yeah, as I said, I feel
00:52:30
like we've kind of covered off on how this product works for
00:52:31
people who are unwell and why it's a really great I won't say
00:52:38
alternative, I'll say addition to someone's lifestyle choices
00:52:43
when they're trying to heal and manage health challenges, but
00:52:50
from the other end of the spectrum or even partway through
00:52:56
that spectrum of health or even partway through that spectrum
00:52:59
of health.
00:53:00
So you've got your own health practices that you and you
00:53:05
expressed at the beginning of our conversation the importance
00:53:10
of you know demonstrating what it can be like to be a healthy
00:53:16
human Right.
00:53:21
So I'd love for you to talk a little bit about that and just
00:53:26
to like about the benefits for Joe blogs, who isn't currently
00:53:29
unwell, might not be like at the perfect end of the spectrum
00:53:33
where they're doing all of the things and how that can kind of
00:53:38
like.
00:53:39
So what, what do you do and what would you recommend like
00:53:43
for people to get optimal health ?
00:53:48
Speaker 2: I guess Well, as I mentioned at some point in our
00:53:53
conversation, I grew up in a family that did not eat for
00:53:56
health.
00:53:56
We ate for taste, period.
00:53:58
I mean we ate the typical standard American diet of a lot
00:54:03
of milk, a piece of bread and some sort of beef.
00:54:05
It could be you know whatever, but it had that meal, had to be
00:54:18
those three things.
00:54:19
It could have other vegetables and grains and whatnot, but that
00:54:23
was the way we grew up and that's maybe a bit of a Southern
00:54:27
American style of eating, but nonetheless that's a pretty
00:54:30
typical American approach.
00:54:32
And so, not having any kind of model of health in my family
00:54:37
again, as I got into bodybuilding and then sort of
00:54:39
shifted from there to a health perspective and really started
00:54:43
taking a deep dive even beyond my training school, but they
00:54:51
didn't take like health and wellness to the degree that I've
00:54:54
taken it to.
00:54:55
With all due respect to them If anybody is still alive and
00:54:59
maybe still wouldn't hear me make that statement, I don't
00:55:03
mean any disrespect about that but they were very focused in,
00:55:07
you know, certain things that they did that really didn't have
00:55:10
much to do with what I'm now doing.
00:55:12
But I say all that to say that as I began looking into the
00:55:18
research about eating all of this animal food that I grew up
00:55:21
eating and then reading study after study after study,
00:55:24
literally hundreds and thousands of articles out there showing
00:55:29
all the possible effects, the ramifications, the negative
00:55:32
effects of eating animal tissue.
00:55:34
It led me down a path over about a 12-month period to
00:55:37
basically eliminate all animal food the possible effects, the
00:55:39
ramifications, the negative effects of eating animal tissue.
00:55:40
It led me down a path over about a 12-month period to
00:55:41
basically eliminate all animal food.
00:55:42
So for those of you out there caught up maybe in the keto,
00:55:47
paleo, carnivore movement, you probably won't really respect
00:55:49
what I'm saying.
00:55:49
But again, for somebody who ate a lot of animal food, as a young
00:55:53
child and through my 20s and I actually didn't say it before,
00:55:58
but I was actually sick a lot as a child and we won't go down
00:56:01
that road either I had lots of throat infections.
00:56:03
My sister and I were constantly sick either from tonsillitis or
00:56:08
strep throat or whatever, and I have some theories behind that
00:56:10
too.
00:56:11
That, again, we can save for another conversation.
00:56:13
But as I look back on it, that was kind of like it was also
00:56:16
helping me connect the dots to making the kind of change and
00:56:21
taking the approach that I ended up taking down this path of now
00:56:25
, as you mentioned, eating a plant-based diet for 27 years.
00:56:28
So for me, in my own personal experience, based on what I've
00:56:34
chosen for myself and also based on a lot of science and again,
00:56:37
I know the carnivore crowd will not agree with me, but I just
00:56:42
believe that eating plants even if you don't eat, say, a totally
00:56:46
plant-based diet, eating mostly plants you just get so much
00:56:49
more nutrition than you do from eating animal food, and so that
00:56:52
would be the first thing that I would recommend to people.
00:56:54
Again, I don't really spend a lot of time in a one-on-one
00:56:57
setting with people in my business.
00:57:00
But the other thing is these polysaccharides and not to beat
00:57:03
that story to death so much but you don't really get these from
00:57:06
food Like.
00:57:06
We also have aloe vera growing in our backyard here in Miami,
00:57:10
but the interleaf gel is 99% water, so you could not possibly
00:57:16
get enough of that gel if you consumed it every day.
00:57:19
Plus, it tastes like crap anyway.
00:57:21
Nobody would really get the benefit of that.
00:57:25
Consuming it orally, it's okay to put it on a sunburn or a cut,
00:57:29
as you mentioned, but to really truly enjoy the benefit of this
00:57:33
incredible plant.
00:57:33
You need to get it in a, in a concentrated powder form and
00:57:37
we've done the hard work like that for you and daily brain
00:57:40
care and then, of course, daily activity.
00:57:43
I mean I think you know our bodies are meant to move, right.
00:57:46
I mean we're supposed to move every single day and so we have
00:57:49
a tendency in this built environment around the developed
00:57:52
world, where we're sitting in offices or office buildings all
00:57:56
day and we're not really moving too much, very few people are
00:57:58
doing really hard manual labor where they're stimulating the
00:58:02
body properly.
00:58:03
So it's important to do something like 30 minutes every
00:58:06
single day.
00:58:07
I mean I work as much as anybody and I still try to make
00:58:11
that commitment every single day to move.
00:58:13
I mean, if I'm in an airplane or traveling, you know one day
00:58:16
or something, then obviously that may be not possible.
00:58:20
Or if I'm very sick, you know that may not be possible for a
00:58:23
couple of days, but I still.
00:58:24
I just don't feel well if I don't do some training every
00:58:29
single day.
00:58:29
So for me those are like my three pillars.
00:58:31
I didn't really talk too much about, you know, the other
00:58:34
supplements that I take as well, for example vitamin D.
00:58:37
I think a lot of people are deficient or insufficient in
00:58:40
their vitamin D, so D3 is cheap.
00:58:42
If you're not getting out in the sun every day, then that's
00:58:45
certainly something that you can take and help you to maintain
00:58:48
your health and wellness.
00:58:51
And then other things.
00:58:51
I mean I'm constantly as you've seen me in this conversation
00:58:53
I'm constantly drinking water, like I think good, filtered,
00:58:57
clean water is very important.
00:58:58
We obviously need to be hydrated every day, although
00:59:01
some people are big fans of dry fasting.
00:59:03
I don't know about how long people really should do that.
00:59:06
That's not really something.
00:59:07
I've studied too much and I know that's got some religious
00:59:11
implications or philosophy behind it as well, but I'm
00:59:15
always drinking water.
00:59:16
And then, of course, sleep.
00:59:17
Sleep is just so important for us.
00:59:19
You got to get your six to seven to eight hours of good
00:59:23
sleep every day.
00:59:23
It's not just for helping us rest, it's actually cleaning out
00:59:27
all of the metabolic byproducts and waste, especially from the
00:59:30
brain.
00:59:30
There is good research suggesting that insomnia and
00:59:34
people who have trouble sleeping will ultimately be at greater
00:59:37
risk of dementia because all of that plaque that builds up every
00:59:41
day that we're active and our brains are very busy taking care
00:59:46
of what we're doing every day.
00:59:47
You've got to clear all that out, and that happens when we
00:59:51
sleep.
00:59:51
And so if you're not sleeping, you're not allowing your brain
00:59:55
to basically clean itself.
00:59:56
The lymph system, there's the glymphatic system that goes
01:00:00
through the brain and it's very important for pulling all that
01:00:04
stuff out of the brain.
01:00:04
So you've got to sleep.
01:00:06
Whatever you have to do to achieve that, you've got to get
01:00:09
your sleep.
01:00:09
And then, of course, other things like stress management.
01:00:13
I mean, for me my exercise training is kind of like my
01:00:16
stress management tool.
01:00:17
I'm not the best meditator.
01:00:19
I've tried meditation on and off for many years.
01:00:22
I'm just not.
01:00:23
I don't know.
01:00:23
My brain just doesn't really work very well with trying to go
01:00:27
completely dark, if you will, and be thoughtless, I don't know
01:00:33
.
01:00:33
For me that's a very tough bridge to cross.
01:00:35
I don't seem to be able to get there, despite my efforts.
01:00:38
And I mean I've never smoked in my life.
01:00:42
I drank a little bit of alcohol when I was in college hanging
01:00:45
out with my buddies, but I don't really drink alcohol anymore.
01:00:49
I mean I've maybe had one or two sips of alcohol in the last
01:00:52
12 or 13 years.
01:00:53
I never really cared for the taste of it.
01:00:55
Anyway, and for the ladies out there, there's actually research
01:00:59
that shows that even a little bit of alcohol don't be misled
01:01:03
by the wine industry even a little bit actually increases
01:01:06
your risk of breast cancer.
01:01:08
So I would be very cautious about you know, whatever you
01:01:13
think is a minimal amount of alcohol intake, I would
01:01:16
encourage you to look into the research that shows that even
01:01:19
just a little bit of alcohol intake can increase your risk of
01:01:22
breast cancer.
01:01:23
So, ladies out there, please, please, look into that.
01:01:26
And I don't know.
01:01:28
Those are for me, those are the tools and the strategies and
01:01:31
the behaviors that I use to optimize my health.
01:01:33
And again, for me, you know, being this is important.
01:01:36
I mean, it's not just my profession, it's my personal
01:01:40
life being healthy and functional.
01:01:45
I mean I don't think any of us, ideally no one, wants to end up
01:01:47
in a nursing home where you have other people, you know,
01:01:48
bringing your food and showering you and toileting you.
01:01:51
I mean, who wants to end up like that?
01:01:52
I mean, unfortunately, a couple of my grandparents did, but
01:01:56
nobody wants.
01:01:56
I don't think anybody truly wants to end up that way.
01:02:00
Speaker 1: And they don't necessarily have to right.
01:02:03
I think that's my point.
01:02:05
Like you, don't have to.
01:02:06
Speaker 2: I mean, if you just utilize some of these things
01:02:08
that we're talking about today, if not all of them, you don't
01:02:12
have to end up in a nursing home where somebody's cleaning you
01:02:15
every day or every other day.
01:02:17
So to me, I mean, it's just so much important there, of course,
01:02:21
is no cure for mortality but it's just so much more important
01:02:24
to try to live your best, highest quality of life while we
01:02:28
are here and then hopefully just expire one day in old age,
01:02:36
and then hopefully just expire one day in old age as opposed to
01:02:38
living, you know, years or decades at the or the end of
01:02:39
your life where you're miserable , your family's miserable,
01:02:42
taking care of you, you spend all of your savings on all this
01:02:45
expensive medical treatment and then at the end you die a
01:02:49
miserable death and your family is left with a miserable memory
01:02:53
around your death.
01:02:54
So why would you not want to try to do what you can do to
01:02:57
prevent that?
01:02:58
Speaker 1: yeah, definitely what ?
01:03:00
Yeah, very good points.
01:03:02
I uh, I do.
01:03:04
I've got a whole page that I haven't even looked at yet, so
01:03:08
we are definitely gonna have to have another conversation um
01:03:12
yeah, like about, I'd love to talk about the, the plant-based
01:03:18
diet I am.
01:03:20
I eat meat, but I I think that for both parties, um, food
01:03:26
quality is really important and like something that can be quite
01:03:29
challenging for us, even if we think we're eating well, so that
01:03:33
that would be one that we can go down next time, amongst other
01:03:37
things.
01:03:37
But for the time being, um, we have reached the end of our hour
01:03:43
and um I'm conscious that you are a new parent and I'm a
01:03:51
parent also.
01:03:52
My children are my youth.
01:03:54
Speaker 2: You might see my wife banging on the door back there.
01:03:57
Speaker 1: Hey, I need you.
01:03:59
Speaker 2: You said it was an hour.
01:04:00
That's enough.
01:04:01
Cut it off.
01:04:04
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you taking the time.
01:04:06
It's been a really great conversation.
01:04:09
We're going to put all of the I'd love to share the links to
01:04:12
the papers that you've been talking about and also,
01:04:15
obviously, your product, in our guest directory so people can
01:04:21
find that easily.
01:04:22
We will organize another chat if you're up for it.
01:04:27
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that would be my pleasure.
01:04:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, I would love it.
01:04:30
Thank you so much.
01:04:31
I've really enjoyed our conversation.
01:04:33
I wish you all the best of luck and look forward to seeing you
01:04:34
again soon.
01:04:34
Thank you so much, for I've really enjoyed our conversation.
01:04:34
I wish you all the best of luck and look forward to seeing you
01:04:35
again soon.
01:04:37
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
01:04:38
Speaker 1: It's been my pleasure , it's been great.