Kasia Dodd: Transform Your Life - Own Your Growth Journey

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Speaker 1: Hello, hello.

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It's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life

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, health and the Universe, and today I'm joined by Kasia Dodd.

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Your full name Katarzyna.

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Katarzyna, katarzyna, yes.

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Speaker 2: Katarzyna.

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Speaker 1: Katarzyna, welcome.

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Great to have you here.

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Thank you for having me.

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Minor technical hitch, but we're okay now, so that's great.

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So let me do a quick intro of you, Kasia, and then I'll hand

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over to you.

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You can intro yourself and fill in the gaps that I've missed

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and then we'll get stuck into our chat.

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So you originate from Krakow, Poland, but currently living in

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the United States, and you have 16 years as a clinical

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psychologist and dedicated your life to understanding the human

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psyche.

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That is definitely a lifelong pursuit, isn't it?

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It is Trying to understand ourselves and other people and

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how it all fits together.

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So, yeah, looking forward to talking about these things.

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You're the founder of Inherence LLC, which I'm sure you'll be

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able to tell us more about, and through your company, you

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pioneered EFT, which is emotional freedom technique, in

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Poland, I believe.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Yes, that's true, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: One of your accolades , and more recently you have

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released a book.

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You Are the Dream of the Universe Moving Towards the

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Inner Adult, as a Further Step in the Evolution of

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Self-Awareness.

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It's a pretty meaty title.

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Yes, it is so.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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It's really great to have you here.

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I'm looking forward to our conversation.

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We kind of had a little brief talk before we hit record, so

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we've got some touch points to get started.

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But before we do, do you want to fill in all those gaps and

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tell us a little bit about yourself?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so thank you so much for inviting me.

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As you mentioned, I'm originally from Poland and I

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lived in the US for 20 years now , or so years now or so and, um,

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I am a clinical psychologist, but I am educated and licensed

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in the in poland and european union, so, uh, so I'm having all

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my clients over there in europe , um, but I'm living in the us.

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So when I was a little kid I was probably six, seven or eight

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in that range I had this experience of having this pain

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and compassion for poor children .

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In my neighborhood there was a family of gypsies living close

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to us and they were really poor.

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And I remember this was my first experience when I realized

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that those children in that family they are not as lucky as

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me, you know, they were walking around dirty and hungry

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sometimes and I felt this pain inside and it was painful that

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there are other kids who don't have what I have.

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And I remember this, this first experience when, when I thought

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, oh my gosh, I really want to invite this little gypsy girl to

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my house and I want to, I want to give her a good bath with

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bubble and I want to give her all my clothes I have because I

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want her to be happy as me.

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And I think it was the first time when I felt you know what I

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was here for on this earth, if I can say that, because since

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then it never stopped.

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And then I remember I went to a hospital when I was eight.

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I had a sunstroke, it was a kind of serious condition, and

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so they took me to the hospital and I spent two weeks in that

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hospital.

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My mom visited me every day and they did a bunch of tests and

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then, you know, I had to take medications for two years.

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But I remember there was another moment, I remember when

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I was leaving the hospital after two weeks and I was walking

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with my mom through the parking lot and I stopped and I remember

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I turned and look at the hospital and I talked to my mom

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through the parking lot and I stopped and I remember I turned

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and looked at the hospital and I talked to my mom.

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You know, mom, I will come back one day to this place and I

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will help everybody to get better.

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So you know, when I was a little kid I already knew that

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it was my passion, kind of, and so since then, whatever I did

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education and and all other things and research I did.

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It was all for that purpose to work with people and to to work

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in this area.

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At the beginning I wanted to be a doctor because, you know, when

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I, when you're eight, all you know is doctors in the hospital.

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You don't know anything more.

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But you know, when I got older, I don't know.

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It's not the medicine, the heart medicine, I just I'm just

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interested more in in the human mind and human soul.

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So so I got my degree in clinical psychology and then in

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the US I got another master degree in theology, because it

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was kind of like a soul thing more, because it was kind of

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like a soul thing more.

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And you know, and I started doing therapy with people and on

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the way I I encountered this technique, this method,

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emotional freedom techniques, which is EFT, and it's just, oh

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my gosh.

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I did it first time on myself and I mean it was funny how it

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looked.

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But then, when I did it on myself and I suddenly saw tears,

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I mean felt tears pouring on my cheeks, down my cheeks, and oh

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my gosh, this is something else here going on.

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So I started learning the EFT technique.

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It was in 2005.

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And I think it was 2006 or seven when I started working

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with people using this technique and since then, you know I've

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been doing it all.

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You know, every day when I work with people, I do EFT and it's

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been so many years and I still have a jaw drop.

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You know when I see the results , you know when people do the

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EFT.

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So that's briefly about my interests, and it never stops.

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I think it's my calling, my mission.

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I don't know how you call it, but I just can't stop the

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exploring, the going deeper and deeper and deeper.

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I do it every day, I do it at night, I do it when I watch TV,

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I do.

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It's just the observers all the time there and it just wants to

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understand and know and and go deeper in the structure of, of

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awareness and and know even more .

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Speaker 1: Wow well, you've given us a whole bunch of things

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to talk about, which is great.

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Thank you for the intro.

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Um, before we go on, can we talk a little bit about EFT,

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because I'm sure?

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that some people have probably heard of it emotional freedom

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technique, um, but some may not have and, um, if you don't, I

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guess for the listeners, if they have, they may have heard of

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tapping right.

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Is that the other?

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Yeah, so tapping um, you may have even seen people do it.

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I've seen.

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I've seen videos of people doing it online and like on

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Instagram and that sort of thing .

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I've had a little bit of exposure to it, but I haven't

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ever practiced it myself, um.

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So I'd be interested, to interested, to hear a little bit

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more about um, what it is, how you use it and also how you use

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it when you're in relation to someone else, like guiding

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someone else through the techniques, because I've always

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felt that it's something that you do alone.

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You can do it alone.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can do it alone.

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But you know, when you work with, with other person, it's

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always um, when it's always better to to.

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You know to talk about those things, any emotional problems,

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you know to people.

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When you have the mirror, you know that that can the observer

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that can see something that you can see yourself.

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So, yes, you can do eft with others and I do it all the time.

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So, um, so for those people who don't know what it is, they call

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it also psychological acupuncture or psychological

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acupressure, because the method uses some of the acupressure or

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acupuncture points, um, at the end of meridians or the

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beginning of meridians, depends.

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You know how you look at it and you tap those points.

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So you don't put needles here, you don't press those points,

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you just tap with your own fingers and by tapping you put

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kind of vibration in those meridians.

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So so the vibration, you know, goes through through the

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meridians, through the nervous system, and um unblocks any

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stuck emotions or any, any stuck energies that are in the body

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and those stuck things can be there even for you know, for

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years, since you were one year old, you know, and it's stuck

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somewhere in your body and you have this emotional response and

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or some symptoms in the body.

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When, when you have emotional response and it's there all the

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time, and when you start tapping , it just kind of dissolves and

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you feel better instantly, almost instantly.

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I'm saying, you know, when you do the exercise, eft exercise

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you start feeling better during doing the exercise.

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You don't have to wait long for results.

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So how it works, it's not only the tapping, you also say out

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loud sentences, and those sentences usually, I mean

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they're supposed to describe the problem in words, they're

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supposed to focus your mind on the problem.

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So when the mind is focused and then you tap the points,

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there's some interesting synchronization going on in the

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brain.

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So you focus, you tap and something happens in in the

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brain, something it's like uh, the emotion meets the reason and

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suddenly something you know goes and releases and you feel

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better and you feel lighter and you feel more optimistic, kind

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of gets stuck in the in the system.

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Uh, what happens is that that all three parts of brain the one

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that is responsible for your physiology, the one that is

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responsible for emotional processing and the and the part

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that is responsible for the logical thinking all three parts

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get kind of frozen in the trauma, all three parts.

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So then, when we work on releasing trauma, you have to

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address all three parts at the same time.

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That's the key.

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So you know, when you, when you only talk about problems, you

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only stimulate, you know, the intellectual part and it

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triggers the emotional part, but it's not synchronizing because

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you're not stimulating the, the body, and you don't stimulate

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the, the emotional part, you're just stimulating the

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intellectual part.

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So EFT does all, does that, because when you tap those

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points, you're stimulating the body.

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When you pronounce those intellectual I mean the logical

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words, you're stimulating the intellectual part, and in the

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middle there is emotion that gets, you know, activate,

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activated, and then at the same time those all three parts of

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brain get active and that's how the trauma is released.

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So it's genius.

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You know the EFT, and it's so simple because it's completely

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natural, there's no chemicals involved or anything else.

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You just take your fingers, you tap the EFT, and it's so simple

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because it's completely natural , there's no chemicals involved

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or anything else.

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You just take your fingers, you tap the points, you know what

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to do and and it goes.

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And yeah.

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So, gary Craig, you know Craig, who is the, the founder or the

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inventor of EFT.

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He says there's tapping and there's an art of delivery.

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So tapping is simple.

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You know five-year-old can do the tapping.

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But how you formulate the, how you focus your brain on the

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problem, how you formulate the sentences, how tuned your brain

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is into the problem you're trying to work on, that's the

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art of delivery and the more you are tuned, precise and address

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all the aspects, the better results you have.

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So sometimes when you work, you know by yourself it may be

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harder.

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But when you work with a therapist or somebody who has

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some background in understanding trauma and processes in the

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brain, then just the delivery of the EFT can be better, can be

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more, um, more how to say it?

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Um, just just more, whole, more .

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, clear, like more specific, I

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guess, because I think that, yeah, I, I guess, when we're

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experiencing some kind of trauma , it's like there are layers of

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it, right and and the.

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The external thing that we, we think is it isn't necessarily

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the.

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Yeah, yeah, you get deep.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because then it's yeah, because the deeper

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you dig and access your you know , your awareness, the deeper the

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EFT can be delivered, you know.

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Speaker 1: When you are doing EFT and using it in your

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sessions with a client, when they have that kind of release

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of emotion is it then like that's it fixed, or is it

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something you have to return to?

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Speaker 2: you know it depends when uh, when you do something

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very specific.

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For example, there's a specific event in your past, let's say

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you had a car accident.

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So it's like a one-time event.

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It was traumatic, it was shocking and it's stuck in your

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body.

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But this is a simple event.

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So usually in one session, when you take all the aspects of

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that accident, that event, usually it's gone and you're

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done.

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But when we are dealing with a personality issue, for example,

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self-esteem or relationship with parents that was not so good

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when you were a child there are many layers of it.

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It's not just a simple event, you know.

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It's on the emotional level, it's on the body level, it's on

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your identity level, it's on your personality level.

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So it will be more work and so there will be more aspects to

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address.

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Also, I mean, that's how I find it out that when we do EFT on

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something like relation with somebody else or self-esteem and

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we do one EFT, you probably have to go multiple times to

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this one exercise to sink.

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So it all sinks deep in you, in your, in, your, uh, awareness.

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Uh, yeah, so that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: It would be pretty tricky as well, I guess, because

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when we've been experiencing um a thought pattern for a long

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period of time, it also, it almost becomes part of who you

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are right, yes, so so there's got to be a process of allowing

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it to, yes, to like literally let go of it and not not kind of

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go well, what, who am I if I don't have this thing?

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Speaker 2: yes, exactly.

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And also you are very right, because the deeper it is and the

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more personal it is, the more resistance to release you have.

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So sometimes you have to really be kind of like an acrobat to

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go from all different sides to approach this belief about how

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it's like a recipe for life, almost so.

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If you try to release it, the whole structure is terrified.

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Okay, how am I going to live now if I don't have this recipe

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for life?

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Almost so, if you try to release it, the whole structure

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is terrified.

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Okay, how am I going to live now if I don't have this recipe

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for life?

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I know it's dysfunctional, it brings me grief, but I don't

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know how to live without it.

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And there's a whole, you know, wow.

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Speaker 1: And so you're still working as a psychotherapist, I

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assume, and working with clients and using EFT in your practice.

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Speaker 2: I do, I just did it today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, and I don't know if this is correct,

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but I think that one of your main areas of specialization is

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working with the inner child.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a little bit deep, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: And I think, just like getting to the, to the root

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cause of someone's trauma or how they're feeling, has layers,

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so does that idea of the inner child Is it?

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Am I wrong in saying that that's an area of specialization

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?

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Speaker 2: Well, you are not wrong.

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Is your reaction more like oh shit, this is a big topic.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we've got time.

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Speaker 2: No, we do, we do.

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I mean you are right, but I have to add to it yes, okay.

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So, you know, working with clients and you know every

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client when I work with is like entering a different universe,

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you know, like a different world , and I'm trying to be so

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attentive and be 100% an observer and gather as much

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understanding as I can gather as much understanding as I can.

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So, after working years with clients, I started seeing some

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patterns and some rules.

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You know how those things work, even if the people are

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different and they have different stories, I started

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noticing some fundamental constant that there is a

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something at the bottom that, no matter how it looks on outside,

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there's the same mechanisms underneath.

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So so, you know, over years I started giving having this, this

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more and more clear picture of what it is, and suddenly it came

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to me that what I'm seeing is what people call inner child,

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but somehow it was incomplete.

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It's like, okay, I understand what I'm seeing and I understand

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what people are saying, but there is this feeling in my

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stomach that it's telling me there is more to it.

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So, you know was listening to, to this feeling, and and then I

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realized that there's not only inner child inside, but also

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there's the inner parent inside, that actually the structure of

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awareness that that every, every one of us has has two

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components and not only one.

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And everybody's talking about the inner child and the wounded

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inner child, and the child needs to be healed and everything.

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And I'm looking at this inner child and it's just fine, it has

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absolutely no problem.

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There's no wounds, there's no, there's no trauma in the child,

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in the inner child.

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So I said what is going on?

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So then you know, even observing more and more, I

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realized that what has a problem is the inner parent structure,

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that the inner child is just a child, ready to play with life,

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always happy, always enthusiastic, always.

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It's a pure power that it's ready to live, but it needs a

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parent to guide it through life.

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And the inner parent, how I saw it, the inner parent is the

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image of the child, of the inner child.

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So there's an inner child that it's pure power, and the inner

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parent is the image of the child .

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And the image, all the beliefs about the inner child, all the

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traumas, you know, all the um beliefs I think it's the best

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word and so so it's projected on the inner child from the inner

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parent.

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That's why the child cannot function fully, because if there

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is a belief about this inner child, oh, you're just not good

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enough.

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Oh, you can't do this, you can't do that.

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So then the child says, okay, mom, I'll sit here and I'll do

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nothing, in a way.

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So it's not the, it's technically, mechanically, it's

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not the inner child that has a problem.

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What the problem is that there is no healthy and

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well-functioning inner parent.

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The moment when the inner parent shows up, the child is

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ready to play, there's nothing to be healed in the child, and

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so then, when I finally saw it, you know I'm seeing this inner

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child is a perfect structure and all the convictions you know

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people have about wounded inner child.

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It's just a projection from the inner parent structure.

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It's not real, even if it feels real, wow.

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So then, you know, analyzing it more and observing and working

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and doing EFT with people and everything, I saw the structure

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of the inner parent, that it's actually the beliefs that are

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copied from what the real parents tell us.

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You know, when we are kids, from what the real parents tell

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us, you know when we, when we are kids.

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So, so, so, the, the, the, the child, when it's born, it

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doesn't have the inner, inner parent structure yet.

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It's just a, it needs to form it.

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You know the, the self-esteem, the beliefs about self and

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everything.

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So, so, so it's, it's copying, you know, it's getting the

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information from from the environment, from parents, from

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culture, from society, from whatever it is, from religion,

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whatever we have.

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So and then it's built in the structure of the inner parent

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and that's how parents and society treated us when we were

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kids.

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That's why that's how we treat ourselves later in life.

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In life the inner parent treats the structure of inner parent,

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treats us inside like we were treated in, you know, as kids.

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It's just a copy of, you know, the beliefs.

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So when we work with the inner parent and it suddenly the inner

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parent drops all those beliefs, suddenly there is a perfect

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inner child, ready to play and there's not a problem with the

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child itself.

00:23:47
It's really a projection.

00:23:48
So then when I explain to people this way of seeing it,

00:23:55
just understanding that the child has no problem, it's

00:23:58
healing already, because suddenly they see, wow, I have

00:24:02
this incredible power in me that it's intact.

00:24:05
I just don't know how to manage it because I have wrong beliefs

00:24:08
about it.

00:24:09
And that itself, you know, takes you out from the victim

00:24:14
kind of victim, you know feeling .

00:24:18
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's pretty cool so would you say

00:24:22
with the like, all of that's making complete um sense.

00:24:26
Like?

00:24:26
I understand what you're um saying, but would you?

00:24:29
When you talk about the inner child, is it an idea?

00:24:34
Do you know what I mean Like um ?

00:24:37
Or is it when you talk about like the injured or the, you

00:24:42
know the, the inner child, and trauma, um, or healing the inner

00:24:47
child?

00:24:48
Is it actually our experience that?

00:24:52
inner child it's like, yeah, the inner child.

00:24:54
Is it like who we were, who we once were, or is it more of a

00:24:58
concept, an idea of how we feel?

00:25:02
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know when I finally saw what the

00:25:05
inner child is.

00:25:07
It's just the essence.

00:25:09
It's the living essence.

00:25:11
I love that.

00:25:12
Yeah, it's pure power.

00:25:15
It's a living thing.

00:25:16
It's not a concept.

00:25:17
Yeah, it's just a name we give to it, so we kind of

00:25:22
conceptually understand.

00:25:23
Speaker 1: Understand yes.

00:25:24
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's pure power.

00:25:26
I'm saying the power is so huge that if you touch it with a

00:25:29
finger it will cut off your hand up to your arm because it's so

00:25:33
powerful.

00:25:35
Speaker 1: Wow, and so we want to be tapping into that.

00:25:37
Yes, yes, it's interesting, um.

00:25:41
I heard once a while ago like about treating your inner child

00:25:50
as a you know, as a human, as you would your own children,

00:25:53
like you don't want any harm to come to them.

00:25:54
When you know for me, I don't want any harm to come to my own

00:25:58
children.

00:25:58
Like I care for them, I nurture them um, obviously, they'll

00:26:02
have their own experience and and receive that in whatever way

00:26:05
they're meant to um.

00:26:07
But we don't do that, do we?

00:26:10
We don't.

00:26:13
We don't um care for our inner child as we would our own, like

00:26:21
our negative self-talk and that sort of thing but, you.

00:26:24
Yes, we can.

00:26:25
Well, we can with the eft.

00:26:30
Speaker 2: With eft also, you know, in the book, I'm trying to

00:26:33
explain to people that, uh, the real, the only real thing we

00:26:39
have is the relationship with the own deeper self, which is

00:26:45
the inner child, the essence, deeper self, inner child, you

00:26:48
know, to me it's all the same.

00:26:50
Or or your soul, um, so so that's the only real thing that

00:26:56
we have, and the relationship we have with this inner, deeper

00:27:01
self.

00:27:02
It's the basis for every other relationship in life we have

00:27:07
With our own children, with husbands and wives, with other

00:27:10
people, with life, with nature, with society, with anything.

00:27:14
This is the base.

00:27:16
So whatever is going on inside in this relationship with the

00:27:21
self will reflect the in the external life, whatever we do,

00:27:29
and many times we try to do it backwards.

00:27:32
So something doesn't work in our life and we're trying to fix

00:27:36
it, and sometimes it works to some degree.

00:27:40
But if it's not fixed or changed at the same time on the

00:27:44
level from which it originated, it will be back to the same.

00:27:49
So even if you change the external circumstances because

00:27:53
you don't like something, if it's not changed on the deeper

00:27:57
self level, you will recreate the same circumstances, even if

00:28:03
it's different scenario outside.

00:28:06
So you can't cheat it.

00:28:08
I mean you can't really ignore it, cheat it or say that you

00:28:13
know you beat the system.

00:28:15
Speaker 1: It's just simple I've got a couple of questions

00:28:21
around that.

00:28:21
Firstly, um, have you had your own personal journey of healing

00:28:29
and when you were seeing this in your clients, this?

00:28:35
You know what is it and you're trying to get to the bottom of

00:28:37
what is it.

00:28:38
What is it?

00:28:38
Did you see something happening in yourself as well?

00:28:42
Speaker 2: Yes, all the time.

00:28:43
And you know, by the way, you know, doing EFT with people,

00:28:47
it's it's amazing because you know, when I do EFT with people,

00:28:49
it's it's amazing because you know, when I do EFT with people

00:28:52
during the session, I tap on myself and I say those sentences

00:28:56
out loud and they just tap on themselves and repeat after me.

00:28:59
So you know, so I did probably billions of EFTs on on myself

00:29:04
that were not kind of mine, but I I am sure that I released tons

00:29:10
of things that I was not even aware of because I was doing it

00:29:13
for people but I was doing it physically on myself.

00:29:15
So it's like I'm doing it on myself.

00:29:17
So, yes, and you know, when I do EFT with people during the

00:29:22
session, even if I work sometimes, you know, six, seven

00:29:26
hours a day, I should be be tired I actually am more

00:29:29
energized after I finish work.

00:29:31
I, you know, I, I can wake up tired and go to work like, okay,

00:29:35
let's start the sessions and then, after seven, seven hours

00:29:38
of of work, suddenly I, I'm so energized I want to jump

00:29:42
mountains because the eft tapping when I do it with people

00:29:45
for for a few hours during the day it's amazing.

00:29:49
So, so, but yes, but you know the the exploration of, of the

00:29:56
deepest, darkest, it's my passion, so so sometimes I

00:30:01
discover something by accident when I when I work with people

00:30:05
but I do it on my own almost every day and I actually have a

00:30:09
research partner.

00:30:11
She's my close friend who lives in Poland, and we both have kind

00:30:18
of abilities to see things and we've been developing those

00:30:21
abilities over years and this Sunday we are going to meet

00:30:25
again.

00:30:26
We do it regularly and we just dive deeply in so-called

00:30:30
expanded states of awareness and we have intention to go and see

00:30:34
and understand and find and release.

00:30:36
And sometimes we go through hell because we encounter some,

00:30:40
even collective, trauma that is really heavy and it's painful

00:30:44
and it's uh, it's not pleasant, but we are trained by now to

00:30:48
just not take it personally, just be with it and then it gets

00:30:53
released.

00:30:53
So even if I don't have some external traumas going on

00:31:02
affecting me, I do it on purpose .

00:31:04
I go in the darkest corners because my passion is to uncover

00:31:07
as much as possible and understand and release and put

00:31:11
some light in there.

00:31:12
Speaker 1: Okay do you use uh eft when you're doing that?

00:31:17
Speaker 2: process or is it a different process?

00:31:19
No, I don't do eft.

00:31:21
I stopped doing eft on myself personally probably after two,

00:31:26
three years after I I learned eft, but I do it with people.

00:31:31
So so you know, because I do it with people, probably I don't

00:31:34
have to do it anymore on myself.

00:31:35
But when we, when we meet with my friend, um we, we just dive

00:31:43
and we just go with the flow, whatever is going on.

00:31:46
And from our meetings and this research we invented kind of or

00:31:53
discovered a process that we called inheritance.

00:31:55
That's our process.

00:31:57
Yes, so this is a process of working with the inner child and

00:32:03
inner parent.

00:32:03
We don't call it during the process.

00:32:05
Those names are only for the book purposes, for the

00:32:09
intellectual mind.

00:32:09
But when we do it practically, for the book purposes, for the

00:32:10
intellectual mind, but when we do it practically on the feeling

00:32:13
level, there are certain steps you go through and you heal the

00:32:20
inner parent structure by doing certain things during the

00:32:25
process.

00:32:25
So then at the end you reconnect with with the power

00:32:29
which is the inner child, and people describe it like going in

00:32:33
a different dimension with totally different vibes there.

00:32:36
You know, because it's really amazing, we've been working on

00:32:40
it for seven years, yeah so do you take other people through

00:32:44
that process or do you do that?

00:32:46
Speaker 1: okay, yes, yes.

00:32:48
In what kind of?

00:32:49
In what kind of structure do you do that?

00:32:51
In it, in a group set setting or?

00:32:55
Speaker 2: we did both uh.

00:32:56
After we were ready to give it to people, we did uh three tests

00:33:02
workshops uh online on zoom, and every workshop, every group,

00:33:08
was around 35 38 people.

00:33:12
So we were leading them through the process and the result was

00:33:17
really, really, really amazing in all three groups.

00:33:19
But most of the time we do it individually during sessions in

00:33:24
one-on-one.

00:33:25
But we are going to back to to groups because we did it two

00:33:27
years ago.

00:33:27
And we will be going back to groups because we did it two

00:33:29
years ago.

00:33:29
And we will be going back to groups because even therapists

00:33:32
you know who attended the workshop, they were asking if we

00:33:35
can teach them this as a tool to work with people, because

00:33:38
it's pretty cool.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: Wow, oh, that sounds very cool, yeah, we're going to

00:33:46
put some.

00:33:46
We're not at the end yet, but I'm just going to just say we'll

00:33:48
put some.

00:33:49
I'm not, we're not at the end yet, but I'm just going to um,

00:33:50
just say we'll, we'll put some links in for um.

00:33:51
So if you, if you've got anywhere that we can direct

00:33:53
people for for that, then we can ?

00:33:55
Um, certainly do that.

00:33:58
I, I I'd definitely love to find out more about it.

00:34:02
Um, what else?

00:34:03
What else was I going to say?

00:34:06
Oh, so do people come to you mostly for the inheritance

00:34:14
process?

00:34:15
Now?

00:34:22
No, they mostly come not yet, because it's been not advertised

00:34:24
yet.

00:34:28
Speaker 2: Oh, is this the big reveal?

00:34:29
Well, I talk about it in the book.

00:34:35
So the book, uh, the book has been published.

00:34:36
Um, it got published last january.

00:34:36
It's the second edition of the book, because the first one I

00:34:39
did it on my own and I didn't do a good job.

00:34:41
So then I asked some professionals to help me with

00:34:43
the second edition and I talk a little bit about inheritance in

00:34:48
this fixed edition.

00:34:49
So it's just been around out just for a little bit.

00:34:55
But mostly people come to me as a psychologist because they

00:34:58
want to work on something, and then I introduce them to EFT

00:35:02
first and then, when they are ready, we do inheritance when

00:35:09
they are interested in it.

00:35:10
Because when I do inheritance with people, we also address

00:35:12
some generational trauma, because this is also something

00:35:15
interesting, you know, in our system.

00:35:17
So it's good to touch on that too.

00:35:21
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about generational

00:35:23
trauma, how it might show up for people?

00:35:25
Yeah, for people, um, yeah, and and is it like something that's

00:35:35
kind of felt in the body rather than you know?

00:35:36
And, rather than you know, we saw something bad happen to our

00:35:38
grandparents and they told us a story, but is it something that

00:35:41
goes much further than that?

00:35:43
Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, first I learned about, about this

00:35:48
generational trauma that it exists at all.

00:35:50
It was through peak states of consciousness.

00:35:53
This is a group of people who do some research on the

00:35:59
structure of awareness and I learned that something like this

00:36:01
exists and I worked with those people for two years, then I

00:36:06
left and then I left, and so so generational trauma how you know

00:36:22
, how they talk about it and how I, how I do it with people, how

00:36:24
I see it too is something that feels really, really deep and

00:36:25
personal.

00:36:25
It's like almost on the level of your identity and also it's,

00:36:36
I would say, people say, oh, it, it's, it's a part of my

00:36:38
character.

00:36:38
Uh, so, oh, I, I, I had it already when I was three.

00:36:39
So today or yesterday I had a session with with a person and

00:36:41
she said uh, you know, I felt this already when I was, when I

00:36:45
was three, and I didn't get it from my parents, I didn't learn

00:36:49
it, I already knew I had this kind of emotional problem.

00:36:55
So, so, so, so we bring things you know to this world in in the

00:37:00
generational, from the generational inheritance, and

00:37:06
it's like we are inherit.

00:37:07
We inherit the color of your eyes and color of your hair and

00:37:12
the shape of your bones and all those features.

00:37:15
We also inherit the so-called character.

00:37:20
Every child has a character.

00:37:23
It's also inherited.

00:37:24
It gets shaped later, like your body gets shaped later through

00:37:30
being raised and all that.

00:37:32
But we come to this world with presets of how we behave, how we

00:37:38
feel, how we relate to the world, and it's all from

00:37:42
generations.

00:37:42
And we come with good generational patterns,

00:37:51
generational patterns that are you know, and we like them.

00:37:52
But some of them are traumatized, never healed, never

00:37:54
released in the in the line of of of generations, and we just

00:37:57
come with it and it's our time to try to release it so we don't

00:38:00
pass it to the next generation.

00:38:04
Speaker 1: wow, yeah, wow, a lot all the things that you've said

00:38:08
.

00:38:08
I'm like, wow, wow, all right, let's talk about your book.

00:38:19
So let's just go with the title to start with.

00:38:21
Let's break down the title.

00:38:28
You are the dream of the universe.

00:38:34
Speaker 2: Yes, part one of the title, yes, what does that mean?

00:38:35
So it it means, I mean, it came to me.

00:38:36
I was participating in a workshop, online workshop, uh,

00:38:40
and we had some some exercises to do, uh, some reflections,

00:38:45
some meditations, and so I, so one day I I kind of, you know,

00:38:50
went in with the exercise that I was supposed to do and I saw

00:38:54
this relation between between me and those big dreams.

00:38:59
And the dreams were kind of like on the horizon, you know in

00:39:04
the space, and I said, oh, this is like the universe.

00:39:06
You know, that's what I thought .

00:39:09
And and then I saw a relation between me and those dreams and

00:39:13
I said, oh, my gosh, there is something out there.

00:39:15
I call it my dream, but actually, whatever is there, it

00:39:20
dreamt me, it was dreaming about me, and then I came to

00:39:24
existence, and now I'm dreaming, and it was kind of a weird

00:39:27
process, you know, and this phrase, you know, appeared you

00:39:32
are the dream of the universe.

00:39:34
And I said, man, that would be a really nice title for a book.

00:39:37
Oh, cool, yes, at that time I was not thinking about writing a

00:39:41
book yet.

00:39:41
I mean, clients were asking me, oh, you should write, you know,

00:39:45
those things that you are talking about.

00:39:46
You should write it in the book because it's so cool, I want to

00:39:49
read about it.

00:39:49
So I had somewhere in the back of my head maybe one day I would

00:39:52
write the book.

00:39:52
But at that time when the title came, I was not writing the

00:39:56
book yet.

00:39:56
But then when I started, I thought, man, this is a really

00:39:59
good title.

00:40:00
Yeah, that's how it appeared, yeah.

00:40:03
Speaker 1: I love it.

00:40:04
Okay, and then the next part, part two of the title moving.

00:40:07
Okay, and then the next part, part two of the title moving

00:40:10
towards the inner adult as a further step in the evolution of

00:40:14
self-awareness.

00:40:15
I think you've covered off a fair bit of that.

00:40:19
Speaker 2: But I will mention the third, inner, because it was

00:40:23
inner child, inner parent and the subtitle there's an inner

00:40:26
adult.

00:40:27
Ah yeah, and then the subtitle there's an inner adult.

00:40:31
So that was my understanding of those mechanics.

00:40:34
And so the inner child is the essence, right, it's the power,

00:40:38
it's your soul, it's, you know, the enthusiasm for life and joy

00:40:42
and love and everything.

00:40:43
The inner parent is the form that helps the essence to be be

00:40:55
formed in life, shaped into something really beautiful.

00:40:56
And then when those two structures, those two parts of

00:40:57
the structure, the inner child and inner parent, are really

00:41:01
connected, united, when they are one and there's no trauma, no

00:41:08
bad beliefs about anything, you're just like whole and one,

00:41:12
then you, then I saw that you become an inner adult, that

00:41:17
there's an inner adult.

00:41:18
It's like another structure, it's like it's a totally

00:41:21
different you know game.

00:41:22
Now when, because there's, there's no inner child and inner

00:41:26
parent anymore, it's so one that it becomes inner adult.

00:41:30
And now you, this, you are this real observer, always loving,

00:41:34
always calm, always distance to a distant you know nicely,

00:41:39
distant to to everything.

00:41:40
Nothing catches you, nothing in , affects you in a bad way, and

00:41:46
the processes are totally different.

00:41:48
You're not emotional anymore, the emotions start playing

00:41:52
totally different role in the system.

00:41:54
They are not those inner child.

00:41:56
You know emotions, you know they are not regulated, they,

00:42:00
they kind of ascend to another level.

00:42:02
So that's the inner adult and to me, I understand it that way

00:42:07
that it's really the next, next level of evolution of

00:42:10
self-awareness, when we all become inner adults, because we

00:42:15
are adults in the body but inside we are not inner adults.

00:42:20
When you look what's going on in humanity, we are not inner

00:42:22
adults.

00:42:22
We are going there but we are not.

00:42:26
We have to fix the inner parent structure because the inner

00:42:29
parent is failing and failing and failing.

00:42:32
Again.

00:42:32
It has problems.

00:42:33
We, when we, once we fix it and the inner child is really happy

00:42:36
and ready to play with life and feel safe, then we enter the

00:42:40
another's.

00:42:40
You know there's.

00:42:43
I see the inner adult when, when we reach the inner adult

00:42:47
level, there is no lack, no crime, no, no greed, no fear of

00:42:57
anything happening, there's no fight for anything or with

00:43:01
anything, because it's a totally different level of processing

00:43:04
this whole world.

00:43:09
Speaker 1: And on that topic, do you feel like there is a,

00:43:18
there's been a shift, like there's a bigger movement

00:43:22
towards that happening, like your role and what you're doing

00:43:27
is obviously playing a part, because you're helping people to

00:43:30
find that inner adult, to make those connections between the

00:43:35
inner child and the inner parent and make it coherent?

00:43:38
Do you feel that your work is really for that greater purpose

00:43:47
of helping to heal humanity?

00:43:50
Speaker 2: Well, I hope so that it's on that wavelength.

00:43:54
Yes, and you know, when something is happening in the

00:43:59
collective, then certain individuals come up with things

00:44:03
like this.

00:44:03
So I feel like I'm in the service of, of the collective

00:44:07
and and, um, I was able to see and understand things and now I

00:44:12
can offer it to people so they can take it or not, you know,

00:44:15
it's their choice.

00:44:15
Uh, yes, and you know when I'm.

00:44:18
I mean, we have a lot of problems in the world.

00:44:21
We can see, you know, all over the world.

00:44:23
But on the other hand, when you look at some people who are

00:44:26
waking up, there are more and more of those people and you

00:44:31
know, in in the main stream media except craziness that we

00:44:37
have, you also hear more and more about being authentic.

00:44:42
I see this more and more and people crave it more and more

00:44:47
because they feel those, those facades.

00:44:49
You know that we were taught to create for the world, so so we

00:44:54
please the world.

00:44:55
So when they look at us, they see us perfect and they admire

00:45:00
us.

00:45:00
You know those things are crumbling more and more.

00:45:03
People don't want it anymore.

00:45:05
It's tiring, so they want to be authentic, they want to be who

00:45:18
they are and they need to be authentic goes the wrong way,

00:45:23
but still there is this trend of being more and more the need to

00:45:27
be more authentic.

00:45:28
Just the self, and it goes back to reconnecting with the deeper

00:45:33
self.

00:45:33
That's the source of it to be authentic.

00:45:42
Speaker 1: And for that you have to have a good parent, inner

00:45:43
parent.

00:45:43
Yes, yeah, for sure it's interesting, isn't it?

00:45:44
Like it's all if you, if you kind of look at how we've been

00:45:49
evolving over the last 20 years or so, with you know that

00:45:54
ability to have access to all of the things that are happening

00:46:00
all over the world, whether they be good or bad or somewhere in

00:46:03
between, sometimes you think I don't wanna see all of the

00:46:11
things that are happening everywhere.

00:46:12
It seems pretty intense, but there's that it's kind of

00:46:19
created this global community where we, where we can, um, also

00:46:25
start to see the possibilities and other people like that you

00:46:29
talk about that awakening in it and, um, you know that there's,

00:46:34
yeah, there's those possibilities of using these

00:46:36
kind of places like podcasts, social media, for the greater

00:46:42
good to get these messages out.

00:46:45
It's kind of an interesting way that we're kind of evolving.

00:46:50
It's almost like things are going weird, but actually, as a

00:46:56
global community, we've got more access to information than ever

00:47:01
that can help us to make those changes yes, exactly yeah wow.

00:47:08
Okay, there's another wow, another wow moment, okay.

00:47:15
So your book, let's get back to that.

00:47:18
So we've broken down the title and I love it.

00:47:21
How, what is it?

00:47:22
Um?

00:47:23
Is it a, would you?

00:47:24
How would you describe it?

00:47:26
Is it a self-help manual?

00:47:29
Does it give you the eft processes like what?

00:47:33
What do we expect from your?

00:47:36
Speaker 2: book.

00:47:36
Yes, so the book is intense, I can say that.

00:47:40
So it's really packed with with knowledge and I know you know I

00:47:49
published this book first in polish in 2021, so I already

00:47:53
have some good feedback from from polish readers and some of

00:47:57
them go back three, five, even seven times one person when read

00:48:02
the book seven times because it's so packed that every time

00:48:06
she read it she uncovered something different that she

00:48:09
didn't see the first, second or fifth time.

00:48:11
So it is packed and there are 20 eft exercises attached, kind

00:48:14
of to the book.

00:48:14
So when you read the book, there are 20 EFT exercises

00:48:18
attached, kind of to the book.

00:48:20
So when you read the book, there are places when it says EFT

00:48:23
exercise and there's a title and you can do the EFT while you

00:48:27
are reading the book.

00:48:28
You don't have to, it's just optional, but if somebody knows

00:48:31
EFT, you know they can use it.

00:48:32
So it's not only the intellectual load, but when you

00:48:37
tap those points and you touch those emotions, you can.

00:48:40
You can release also something while you're reading the book,

00:48:45
and so it's intense.

00:48:50
So it's for for people who really are serious about

00:48:53
learning about their, their uh, their inner self, and some

00:48:57
people called it the instruction manual for the human being.

00:49:05
Speaker 1: Somebody gave it that name, wow okay, so would you

00:49:11
say that it's like a step-by-step or is it like you

00:49:14
can dip into different sections?

00:49:17
Do you advise people to read the whole thing at once?

00:49:20
Like you said, it's pretty big, so you might not be able to

00:49:22
read it all in one hit.

00:49:25
Speaker 2: Probably it would be good, the first time at least,

00:49:27
it would be good to read the whole thing from the beginning

00:49:29
to the end, because if you take the book and start reading

00:49:34
chapter 7, you may be lost a little bit about.

00:49:39
You know what the inner child and their parents structures are

00:49:42
, because they are explained, let's say, in the chapter third.

00:49:44
So probably it will be good to to read it first time, but when

00:49:48
then, when you want to go back to certain parts, you can.

00:49:51
You can because probably certain parts hit you more than

00:49:54
other parts and you may want to go back to those.

00:49:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, To have all of that information inside of you

00:50:03
yeah, was it a relief to get it out on paper.

00:50:07
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, you know .

00:50:08
The book was reading itself in my head for for a few years and

00:50:13
then, when I finally sat down by my desk, it took me three

00:50:17
months to to write it.

00:50:19
Three months because already there.

00:50:21
Speaker 1: So I just said wow, that's pretty good, that's

00:50:25
pretty yeah, that's impressive and um, do you ever look back at

00:50:31
it and think there are other things you want to add?

00:50:32
There must be things that you that, that in the book.

00:50:36
Speaker 2: Yeah well, I open a folder on my desktop and it says

00:50:40
book number two.

00:50:41
So I'm not changing anything in that book.

00:50:45
It's complete as it is.

00:50:47
But, yes, I have more and more insights, and even more,

00:50:51
probably, for real seekers who really want to understand even

00:50:56
more.

00:50:56
I'm going to put it in the second book.

00:51:00
Speaker 1: Right, what's your hope for the?

00:51:03
Speaker 2: book, that you know that it will get into people's

00:51:10
hands.

00:51:10
Yeah, really, that's the only thing, and I don't have any

00:51:15
pressure or expectations that there must be some kind of

00:51:22
specific outcome.

00:51:23
If only two people will read the book and it will change

00:51:27
their lives, I'm totally satisfied.

00:51:29
I mean, already more people read the book and felt changed.

00:51:32
But you know, I'm not saying that it must do anything, it's

00:51:35
just there and I'm saying that.

00:51:37
You know, when I was reading, when I was writing this book, I

00:51:40
had this impression that there is some collective inner child.

00:51:44
That is not only the inner child in every one of us, but

00:51:47
there is a collective inner child.

00:51:48
And the collective inner child just took me by my you know

00:51:54
clothes, took me by the desk and said, right, I want it out, and

00:51:59
it was just pouring and pouring and writing, and pouring and

00:52:02
writing, and that's how it felt.

00:52:04
So whatever the book wants to do, whatever the collective

00:52:09
inner child wants to do with the book, it's all out there, it's

00:52:12
out of my hands.

00:52:13
I have no expectations.

00:52:15
Speaker 1: Amazing.

00:52:15
We are coming close to the end of our hour, so I wonder, like

00:52:23
uh, we want to get the book out there to everyone, so we're

00:52:26
going to put links to that in the notes.

00:52:28
Um, but just wonder, before we do say our farewells, is there

00:52:34
anything else that you feel like you want to talk about?

00:52:39
Like, is there any kind of?

00:52:44
Is there anything where you go?

00:52:45
Oh yeah, I wouldn't mind saying that, no pressure.

00:52:51
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it, but let me think for one

00:52:54
second.

00:52:54
Yeah, second, yeah, you know, uh, I was thinking about it

00:53:02
recently that, um, well, you know, we talk a lot, a lot about

00:53:06
love and how love heals and and it's so needed in the world,

00:53:11
and everything, and, yes, but I I'm thinking that there is

00:53:16
something even more deciding it's the human will.

00:53:24
Because I encountered people who were surrounded by love,

00:53:31
unconditional love, and they had opportunity to be healed and

00:53:36
they had opportunity to get better.

00:53:38
And there was this one thing the will.

00:53:43
When will was not there, you know, the, the love can't do

00:53:47
anything really, because there's something so sacred about the

00:53:52
human will and the human will is not interfered by anything, by

00:53:56
no gods or nothing else.

00:53:57
It's just we there, we and our will and how we use it.

00:54:01
That's what we will have.

00:54:03
And then I even thought you know , you know, I don't know if not

00:54:07
everybody knows.

00:54:09
I mean, probably most people know the Bible, but not

00:54:12
everybody acknowledges it.

00:54:13
But I thought about you know the stories from the Bible when

00:54:18
Jesus was walking on earth and healing people, and he had so

00:54:23
many abilities.

00:54:24
He could heal anything, as the message says in the Bible, and

00:54:30
he always asked what can I do for you?

00:54:32
And he never did more.

00:54:34
Even if he could, he always did what he was asked to do.

00:54:40
So there was this will, yeah, and.

00:54:44
And sometimes it's really hard, especially when, when the when

00:54:48
we have people close to us and we see this, they suffer and we

00:54:52
want to help them and they say no, that's the hardest to

00:54:55
respect that will.

00:54:56
So yeah, yeah, no.

00:54:57
Speaker 1: That's the lesson yeah, yeah, that will.

00:54:59
So, yeah, yeah, that's the lesson.

00:55:00
Yeah, yeah, that's really really great way to end

00:55:04
Something along a similar note.

00:55:06
I can't remember exactly what it was that I heard, but it was

00:55:17
something along the lines of like, when someone tells you

00:55:22
something about um them selves, yes, it's easy for us to kind of

00:55:25
go into that I need to help you mode, or yes, yeah, and it's

00:55:31
like just being heard could be enough.

00:55:35
Like, yeah, what exactly wait to be asked?

00:55:38
let them know that you're there for them, but you don't have to

00:55:42
like give them more, more than they've asked for they just want

00:55:47
to.

00:55:47
They just want to be heard and acknowledged, yeah yeah.

00:55:51
Speaker 2: So if I can add an example I just popped in my head

00:55:54
, you know, three years ago my mom died.

00:55:55
So she, she and my father, lived in Poland.

00:55:58
She died my father is still alive, of course.

00:56:01
They were married for XXX years .

00:56:04
It was a big trauma for him.

00:56:07
I'm in the US, he's in Poland.

00:56:09
He stayed alone.

00:56:10
It was not easy for him.

00:56:12
When I called him once a week, he was sad.

00:56:16
He was saying I miss your mom and everything.

00:56:19
And I remember one time, you know, when I just didn't try to

00:56:25
say that everything will be okay , I didn't try to comfort him, I

00:56:28
just said you know what, dad?

00:56:30
But it's a tough situation to be in a position like you.

00:56:34
It's totally okay to be sad and to go through whatever you're

00:56:39
going through, and just by acknowledging it, not trying to

00:56:43
fix it or change it, he got so uplifted, his, his voice changed

00:56:49
, you know, he suddenly became more joyful.

00:56:52
Just because of that, you know, and not yeah.

00:56:55
Sometimes nothing else is needed.

00:56:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, what a perfect note to end on.

00:57:01
Thank you so much, thank you so ?

00:57:04
Much.

00:57:05
Uh, let's just remind the listeners of the book.

00:57:08
You are the dream of the universe moving towards the

00:57:11
inner adult.

00:57:12
As a further step in the evolution of self awareness,

00:57:16
we're going to add all of your links into the show notes and

00:57:19
get your book and this podcast out to as many people as we can.

00:57:24
Thank you so much for joining me today I really appreciate

00:57:28
your time and it's been wonderful thank you.

00:57:29
Speaker 2: It was a pleasure to meet you and talk about those

00:57:32
things and I really enjoyed our hour yeah, thank you so much bye

00:57:36
.