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When Erin Lucero's world turned upside down after the loss of her mother, it wasn't just grief that she confronted; it was the call of her true destiny.
In a revealing heart-to-heart, Erin takes us through her profound metamorphosis from an established architect to a beacon of healing and self-discovery.
As her voice warmly fills the room, she speaks of the courage it took to embrace her roles as a yoga instructor, shamanic healer, and author, and the importance of fostering a nurturing community in the wake of such a life-altering transition.
Imagine a world where career changes aren't just accepted, but celebrated as a vital part of our evolution. That's the landscape Erin and I traverse as we discuss the societal shifts reshaping our approach to career and purpose. We reflect on the delicate act of balancing passion with practicality, and how the support of loved ones and counselling can guide us through the rapids of radical vocational shifts. Erin's journey serves as a to inspire anyone standing at the crossroads of their dreams and life's necessities.
The conversation culminates with an exploration into the shamanic practices that have guided Erin's healing journey, a testament to the idea that our soul's purpose is inscribed in the very fabric of our being. She opens up about the power of self-reflection in the face of personal crisis and the transformative impact of shamanic energy healing on emotional and spiritual wounds. Erin's story isn't just one of loss and change; it's a celebration of authenticity, love, and the prosperity that flourishes when we align our lives with our deepest truths.
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Speaker 1: Hello, hello.
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It's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life
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, health and the Universe, and this week I'm joined by Erin
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Lucero.
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Welcome, erin, all the way from .
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Speaker 2: I am from Denver, Colorado.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I had it on the tip of my tongue, so let me do a
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very quick intro of you, erin.
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We've only known each other for a short while, so I've just got
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a quick intro and then I'm going to hand over to you and
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then we'll get stuck into our conversation.
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So, erin, you describe yourself as a big ball of love.
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That's a nice description.
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So we're here to chat all about you and the things that you do
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today, but you've gone from 20 years as an architect and then
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and I love this you shifted, and I love that you said shifted
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instead of pivoted, because everyone pivots you know, that's
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not my favorite word me neither .
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So you shifted to become a yoga instructor, I believe a shamanic
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healer.
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I don't even know how to pronounce that.
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Is it shamanic, shamanic?
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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's a bit like tomato tomato.
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Yeah, okay, shamanic, I shamanic.
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You know, I think it's a bit like tomato tomato.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, shamanic, I'll just say it quickly, and
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you're also an author, but I'm pretty sure there's other things
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in there that I haven't included.
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So welcome, and I'm going to hand over to you to fill in
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those gaps, and then we'll get started.
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Speaker 2: The gaps.
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Yeah Well, first of all, thanks for having me.
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It's been so much fun meeting you.
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I'll give a little intro.
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Nadine and I are doing the Gene Key Pearl Retreat with Richard
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Rudd right now and we had a blast meeting each other in one
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of the breakout rooms and we're like, oh, we're meant to know
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each other.
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Yeah, I, I was, well, I'm still, an architect.
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We never stopped being what we are.
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We just shift sometimes.
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And so, yes, I'm a trained architect and I was building
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buildings and making spaces for people and I had, as is often
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the case, kind of those big pivotal moments in your life
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where you're like, am I really living to my highest purpose?
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And that, for me, came when my mother passed away three years
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ago and that that created this big shift.
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And that was one of the shifts that I'm I probably am still
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going through, because we're always evolving and growing.
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But, yeah, what I've?
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I stepped away from my job as an architect and I stepped into
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last year.
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I really got into writing books .
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I wrote four and now pausing that for a minute, taking a
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breath and feeling into shamanism as a practice,
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building communities, working on kind of holding space for
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people in that, creating a loving community and support
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system for people through shamanism, which you know, we
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can talk about a little bit more , about what that word means,
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because that's a big, a big umbrella of a word.
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Uh, and yeah, I love yoga.
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I did yoga, I've done yoga for 16, 17, 18 years, something like
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that, and I um started teaching , uh during covid as something
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for my friends who, when everything disappeared, I'm like
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well, let's meet outside.
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So I started teaching that and I really enjoy sharing those
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practices with people.
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So, yeah, I did a pretty big shift into trying to align my
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inner self with my outer self.
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Wow, and that's where I'm still heading.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool.
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I um, I didn't realize because we've only just met right, so I
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didn't realize that that shift was actually quite so.
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It's been quite recent.
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Like you say, you've written four books.
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You're like, well, she must have been doing this for a while
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and you're like, no, just knock them off.
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Speaker 2: Last year, my life seems to be on the like, the
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exponential trajectory instead of the linear one that's okay.
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Speaker 1: I reckon that's cool, it's great, I love it and I do.
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You know what?
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I love that, and I don't know whether it's, maybe it's I'm
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assuming we're kind of around the same same sort of age
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bracket.
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But what you know, as we were growing up well, certainly for
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me it was there was a real belief that you know you, you
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grow up and what are you going to be when you grow up.
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For you it was an architect, I wanted to be an actress, so that
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one got poo-pooed, um, but I studied in a theater, um, you
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know, I went to school and did all of the things.
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But there was this mentality that once you've got a job,
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that's who you are and that's what you do for the rest of your
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life.
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But that's really changing and I love that.
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I love that for me, I love that for you, I love that for our
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kids.
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It's like you know what, what you don't have to do the same
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thing for the rest of your life.
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You can try different things, um, and I don't know how
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accepted that is, but it feels like it.
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It's definitely changing.
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Speaker 2: I think it is.
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It is changing, but yeah, it is , it's slow.
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It's a little bit like I mean, if you do make a big shift, you
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definitely get a lot of strange looks right.
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You also get a lot of wow.
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I wish I was brave enough to do that yes yes, like that, that
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you are so courageous, you're doing something that I could
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never do.
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And then you ask them well, why not?
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Yeah, and that you know, I think that that that why not is
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the thing that really keeps people back from their dreams.
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Because you're right, you're absolutely right, we were grown,
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we were grown into like be a vocation, be a job, do be a job,
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because it's like that job becomes you, your identity.
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You know, I had a friend once who says why is it that whenever
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we meet a person at a party, we say what do you do?
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What do you do?
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Not?
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Who are you?
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Yeah, Not what.
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What?
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Speaker 1: makes your heart sing .
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Speaker 2: But what do you do to ?
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Who are you?
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Yeah, not what.
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What makes your heart sing?
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But what do you do?
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To make money?
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Yeah, that's, yeah, oh, you know that's.
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The whole reason you're on this planet is to make money, to
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live some kind of material dream .
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And then you know die and you know no yeah, it's, it's
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interesting, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: but yeah, like you say, it's shifting.
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Before we get into, like, some of the things that you've done
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and that you're currently doing, especially the, the shamanic,
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would you say, shamanic teaching , healing- like so I would say
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it's so.
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Speaker 2: I did a six month course in shamanic energy
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medicine, shamanic energy healing.
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So, yes, I was trained to do energy healing through the
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shamanic practices from Peru and we can talk about that more
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like what that is is yeah um but I think that, on a bigger
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perspective, when we when what I feel into shamanism shamanism
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is is a big umbrella of any earth-based, um spiritual
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practice that you know, shaman is from siberia, it's just a
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word, a siberian word, but there are lots of different practices
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all over the world that are more about relating to the earth
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as our, you know, as our mother , as as a connection, and
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shamanism is about feeling back into that connection with our
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brothers and sisters, the plants , the animals, the stars, the,
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the soil, and feeling into that there is a world beyond that
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which we can see with our eyes, okay, and so that, as a kind of
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concept, I'm really tuning into and trying to explore, and how
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we can not necessarily me go around doing energy healings for
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people, but how we as a society can start reconnecting with the
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earth, with each other, with, with our neighbors and how we
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can come back into that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, our connections a little bit funky, so if I
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pull a funny face like I had a little bit of a frozen moment
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there, it seems it's all right it was on my end so I can.
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Speaker 2: Uh, we'll just keep it, just if I need to okay,
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sorry about that, um, yeah, cool .
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Speaker 1: So, um, I love all of those things.
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Um, yeah, it's a, it's a massive topic and it's really
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easy, isn't it, to kind of be, uh, the architect, which almost
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feels like you know the the thing that us humans do we grow
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up and we go to school and we get a job and all of those
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things that I said before, and then that, and then that it
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shouldn't be a polar opposite, but it almost feels like a polar
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opposite to reconnect with all of the things, like where we
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came from essentially.
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And, yeah, I guess we kind of pigeonhole ourselves, don't we?
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Into, um, yeah, into one part of who we are as humans, how
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we've, uh, don't know, you might argue again, we might argue
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that it's not really evolving what we've done to ourselves
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anyway, yes, so, yeah, I love all of that evolution is an
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interesting word, right definitely it's like yeah, I
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could contemplate yes, I often say to um, like I think humans
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are basically too smart for their own good, like we've done
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all of these things.
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But you know, often we go 10 years down the track oh yeah,
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that was a good idea.
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Back then it's like, because I've come from the health and
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fitness industry, you know, it's like we've gone through this
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whole process of working more, um, convenience food, sleeping
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less, like all of these things, in order to do the things.
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And then, like 10 years on, we go oh, that wasn't such a bad
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idea.
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Actually, that's causing x, y and z in our health and really
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we should be doing all of the things that we used to do
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hundreds of years ago yes yeah so over complicated yeah, yes
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yes, yes, yes.
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I'd love to know, before we go deeper, what was the?
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What has the response been to you?
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Did you kind of just like hang up your architect badge?
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Speaker 2: Hat Badge yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so and go.
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I'm'm gonna be a shamanic healer in in some ways.
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Speaker 2: yes, I did.
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I mean I, I turned in my resignation and left my job.
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And I think that the people in my office, you know, know, my
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coworkers kind of knew that I was unhappy, that I didn't feel
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fulfilled in what I was doing.
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So they weren't, they were supportive, they weren't
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terribly surprised because and I explained it to them it's not
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that I went, you know, it's not that I went from, let's say,
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analytical to woo, you know like , oh, because I still am the
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same person, yeah, but I just I felt and I think that they could
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really see it like I didn't feel satisfied in what I was
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doing.
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I didn't feel that what I was building and what we were doing
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in that particular office and unfortunately, I would say, kind
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of across the industry, because it's so focused on money and
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not humanity that it wasn't in alignment with, like, making the
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world a better place.
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It wasn't doing what, or at least I wasn't able to affect
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positive change within my position and I needed to step
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back.
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And that's what I kind of gave.
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I told them I'm like you can say that I'm quitting, you can
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say I'm doing a sabbatical, I don't really care what label you
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put it on, but I need to step back and kind of reprioritize
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myself.
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Speaker 1: wow, so that's what I did, yeah and how did how did
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that go down with your?
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Speaker 2: other half.
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Yeah, and I think you know it was a little bit hard for my
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husband.
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He was like you're doing what, like?
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What are we doing with this?
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And I did have I had some money in savings to kind of you know,
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allow me financially to do this .
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But it was definitely a bit of a shock.
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But he's very supportive and he's he's always been supportive
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.
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I mean he, he, uh, while he's not into like the whole shaman
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thing a ton, he, he still will come out and do fire ceremonies
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with me and like he's very intuitive as well and he, he can
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like sense stuff and so it works pretty good, yeah but it
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was definitely a bit of a, thing , oh you're gonna yeah, because
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I'm always curious about that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that it's not necessarily that our
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partners are unsupportive, but if it, it can, it can.
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If you make a radical shift, it can still like, I'm still yeah,
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I'm just curious to find out, like what, what happens
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sometimes so, yeah, I think, um, you know, radical shifts are
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there.
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Speaker 2: They put challenges on a marriage and I think that,
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um, you know, we, we, well, I changed a lot, I have changed a
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lot in the last two or three years, and so it was.
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We actually went to counseling for four or five months just to
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try and figure out how to communicate through those
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changes, because it was like what had been stasis for I mean,
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we got married in 2006 and what have been, you know, status quo
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for many, many years Suddenly it was like I'm a different
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person, I'm kind of speaking a different language, I have
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different priorities, and it was a big shift.
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And I think it took both of us wanting to commit to trying to
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find out how to navigate through that for us to get through it.
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And I think we're still working through it, because I'm still
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changing and shifting and figuring out like, where am I
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going to land, you know, from a, you know monetary, you know we
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kind of have to make money at some point.
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How does, how does my passion turn into, you know, something
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that can support?
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And so, yeah, we're still sorting it out.
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But that's life, that is evolution.
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Speaker 1: Totally, that is evolution.
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Yeah, and that's really interesting actually because you
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mentioned money versus humanity and I mean, I think you're
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talking about humanity on a grander scale, but like you're a
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human and it's like what, what do?
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What do we actually need as humans?
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Like we need, um, like you said , community connection, and like
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they're the things that probably are like when we, when
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we nut it out, the things that are most important to us, but
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but we focus often on money, while it feels and it can feel
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like, well, we don't really have much choice yeah, yeah, and I,
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but I think that there are ways and I'm still filling into them.
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Speaker 2: Um, and I I think that probably in the next you
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know, if we check back in in about six months, I'll probably
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have like the thing coalesce, but like there are ways for us
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to bring money and humanity back together.
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Yeah, like there's a story that the patriarchy and capitalism
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and you know this world that we've lived in has torn them
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apart, because they've told us that that we need to disregard
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humanity and disregard what is good for the earth and disregard
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all these things, and that the board members rule, rule and you
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know, the dollar rules.
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But I think it's, I think it's BS, it's just a story and that
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you know, what I learned in shamanism is that we are told
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stories and we can either choose to accept them or we can let
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them go, and we can, you know, just peel them off of us like a
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skin and unpeel that story until we start to find our, you know,
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true essence.
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Yeah, and, and our true essence says that our prosperity and
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our humanity can be combined.
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Yeah, yeah, so six months you're going to have the answers so
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six months you're gonna have the answers with someone, but it's
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still very uh.
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It's in the works, so I can't.
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I can't try.
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Yeah, that's fair enough.
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Speaker 1: No, we'll get you back on the here in.
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Yeah, we, we will with the big reveal the big reveal.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I'll tell you, nadine, like one of
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the big things as kind of talking about this like that is,
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though I can say that is the basis of what I wrote my book
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about, okay was us finding that harmony and prosperity within
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ourselves and to really kind of just get rid of this whole idea
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of scarcity and that like we can't have abundance and the
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poverty mindset, especially when it comes to spirituality,
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because I think one of the reasons that a lot of healers or
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people that are spiritual, like we have this poverty mindset
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that is like you aren't allowed to be prosperous and help other
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people I don't know where that came from, but it's like a
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mindset that is in our society and what like what that was one
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of the impetus of this book was like that we don't need to have
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this scarcity, poverty mindset around ourselves.
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Speaker 1: And you know that's what we're learning about in the
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gene keys right, yeah yeah, prosperity yeah, so I've spoken
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to the um the listeners about uh , a little bit about the gene
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keys, and it has popped up in um a couple of conversations I've
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had with other guests.
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So erin and I are both uh following a gene keys um program
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, online program called the pearl retreat, and it's um about
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prosperity.
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Um and yeah, basically shifting our mindsets.
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A lot of it is shifting our mindsets, or you can't help but
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shift your mindset um around prosperity.
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Like it isn't actually about money.
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And when I wrote down um, I haven't got it in front of me,
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but some of the things that I wrote down about prosperity,
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like when I think about it, like what does it mean for me, like
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money, didn't come into it you know, what are the things that
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are important in my life were like my yeah home, like and
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being with my family and community food, you know um.
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Sovereignty was really important one for me um you know, not
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having, not having someone else control what we do, but the
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prosperity it was like.
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What does it feel like?
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And I just think it feels to me like flow, but not just flow of
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money, but flow of abundance, like in love, in relationships,
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in like with nature.
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Like that, to me, is like prospering because you can see a
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person with um, you know who's wealthy with you, know has
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financial wealth.
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But if they're not healthy to me, they're not healthy to me,
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they're not prospering.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so so, yeah, yeah, and that's that's just.
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That's the paradigm shift that needs to happen.
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Is the the idea of what, why we're here on this planet, why
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what we're here to achieve is to be prosperous.
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But what does that word mean Really?
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Really, it means exactly what you're saying not how much money
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you can accumulate, but like how full of health and love and
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the all of those riches, yeah yeah, yeah, it's interesting,
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it's a, it's a.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a long game as well, isn't it?
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I've done a little bit of, you know, just reading, watching
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videos, different people that I've sort of follow online and
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that sort of thing, and obviously the Gene Keys approach
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as well.
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Um, what was I going to say?
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What?
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Um, what?
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Something that's kind of popped up is like we're actually that,
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this idea that we've actually chosen the body that we
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incarnate into, but the human experience that we're having
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right now and so, you know, karma comes into that dharma,
00:22:45
you know being exactly where you are right now to learn the
00:22:48
lessons but but that we've actually we have chosen this
00:22:54
particular experience and for it to unfold in this particular
00:22:58
way, which I think is a really interesting and kind of
00:23:02
reassuring concept.
00:23:04
What do you feel about that?
00:23:16
Speaker 2: um, what do you, what do you feel about that?
00:23:18
I, I think it is.
00:23:18
It is spot on.
00:23:18
It's like and now the the, you know, having gone into a
00:23:21
shamanic path, I do a lot of like meditations and journeys
00:23:25
and kind of going into the other realm and sort of feeling into
00:23:30
where my this, this moment of my soul is, where, where that is
00:23:36
in in terms of its bigger incarnation.
00:23:38
I don't know that I want to get into the idea of different
00:23:43
incarnations or past lives, because I think that's a whole
00:23:45
other topic it does feel like my soul your like, at least, and I
00:23:52
can only speak for my soul.
00:23:53
It does feel like my soul chose to be here and and that everyone
00:23:59
it has met is there to teach it a lesson that I'm here to learn
00:24:05
from all of my relationships and that I am here to to do
00:24:11
things and that one of the biggest things that I'm here to
00:24:14
learn in life is to try and let go of the fears that I have that
00:24:22
prevent me from being me.
00:24:25
Yeah, and that is that's the we were talking about.
00:24:30
Evolution.
00:24:31
I would love, I was excited to talk about this.
00:24:33
This is the unlearning, this is the you know devolving, because
00:24:38
you're really trying to come back into your, your essence,
00:24:41
your yourself, so that you can express that person that you
00:24:45
were meant to be, that you, just because of karma, because of
00:24:49
ancestral wounds, because of fears, because of societal
00:24:53
conditioning, you don't feel like you can step into it.
00:24:55
But there's all these opportunities along the way,
00:24:58
there's all these people we meet , you know like, oh, I meet this
00:25:01
amazing person, nadine, and we have this beautiful conversation
00:25:04
because these are all supposed to happen, yes, and all of these
00:25:08
moments are here to help us come into who we are.
00:25:15
Speaker 1: And I really do believe that and I feel like
00:25:17
that, like I feel that as a truth, not just as a an idea,
00:25:22
that like an opinion, it feels right to me, yeah, yeah, I agree
00:25:26
, and I'm, and I'm really also like I don't know what words to
00:25:36
use for it but like being much more aware of when I see those
00:25:43
things that bug me.
00:25:45
I'm starting to see, like how that's part that's me, like,
00:25:52
yeah, like what is that in that person or that situation that
00:25:55
bugs me is like where do I do that or where have I not healed
00:26:02
from that?
00:26:03
And like that idea of um, yeah, it it reflecting back something
00:26:09
that I actually need to focus on and that that that's not a
00:26:13
bad thing.
00:26:14
Yeah, in fact it's, yeah, it's part of that um process of
00:26:19
healing and understanding and accepting others and ourselves.
00:26:23
But one thing I also um along this journey, like because we we
00:26:29
often say you know that there is often that idea of you know
00:26:33
these things coming into our lives for those reasons, for us
00:26:37
to you know, look at ourselves and how we react.
00:26:40
But I think we also need to remind ourselves that when we
00:26:44
meet other beautiful people, they're also a reflection of who
00:26:49
we are.
00:26:50
Um, yeah, so it can be easy to kind of focus on the, the darker
00:26:56
side or, you know that, trying to fix what's broken or what's
00:27:02
wrong with me, but it's about like, yeah, seeing seeing the
00:27:06
beauty in all of those things.
00:27:08
I think I went off on a tangent there yeah no, it's, it's
00:27:12
perfect.
00:27:12
Speaker 2: I mean, that was part of my um.
00:27:15
You know the, the teachings that I learned when I was doing
00:27:19
my shamanic course, you know, are very tied to Carl Jung and
00:27:23
the shadow work.
00:27:24
And one of you know, if you're familiar, which I think everyone
00:27:28
at this point probably has heard of Carl Jung and shadows.
00:27:31
But what you're saying is very true.
00:27:34
Like everything that everyone we meet, our whole reality
00:27:39
almost, is a projection of ourselves, because it's how we
00:27:42
see the world around us, it's our lens and it's our shadows
00:27:48
and, yes, they're all mirrors and it's our shadows and, yes,
00:27:54
they're all mirrors.
00:27:55
So, you know, if, if there's something in my husband that
00:27:58
annoys me, that's my shadow.
00:27:59
If there's something in my husband that I'm, um, you know,
00:28:02
really respecting and think is an amazing trait, that's also my
00:28:07
shadow because, like our heroes and our villains, are the
00:28:11
pieces of us that we maybe haven't figured out, that we
00:28:15
have within us, because they're triggering us in some way.
00:28:18
And I think that's where real healing comes in is just
00:28:22
stepping back and like letting you yeah, like you said, to give
00:28:27
, give space to both the fact that, yeah, we have some wounds
00:28:30
that we'd rather not face, or some you know that, that we all
00:28:34
have a little devil inside of us , but we all have an angel
00:28:37
inside of us too, and that's it.
00:28:41
That's a pretty, pretty powerful, empowering thing to
00:28:47
feel into if we want to think about, you know, empowering us
00:28:52
as humans to start to shift how we think about it, like, just
00:28:56
feel into that, to our amazing traits, to the things that make
00:29:00
us wonderful and powerful in a in a loving way, not powerful in
00:29:06
like a dictator way yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.
00:29:15
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of um.
00:29:16
There was a couple of things there, but I would love to um, I
00:29:24
would love to hear more about that shift that you went through
00:29:27
.
00:29:27
Like you mentioned that you lost your mum um three years ago
00:29:32
, so that must be.
00:29:33
It must have been an extremely difficult time, and probably
00:29:37
still is.
00:29:37
Um, yeah, oh, how do you?
00:29:44
Was that when you began to realize that life was worth like
00:29:51
your purpose?
00:29:52
Was that the?
00:29:54
That was like the, the moment.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:58
That was the big, that was the big crisis that that made me
00:30:03
step back and think about you know, what was I doing with my
00:30:09
life?
00:30:10
Did I feel that I was doing everything, or was?
00:30:12
I and a lot of it was my mom, um was very healthy and then she
00:30:18
suddenly, you know, got sick with cancer.
00:30:20
So it was like pretty sudden, yeah and um, so it was very
00:30:25
shocking.
00:30:25
It was shocking, uh, in a lot of ways and ways.
00:30:29
And then she was, she went in for like the beginning of her
00:30:33
treatment.
00:30:33
She was having some radiation and then that led to like this
00:30:39
massive artery exploding and she was in the hospital like almost
00:30:44
dying, like right after treatment started, so it was
00:30:47
like even more like it was like even more like it was just like
00:30:51
I mean just very shocking.
00:30:54
and so those those kind of things, though they shake you up
00:30:58
and I mean we talk about how everything happens for part of
00:31:04
your soul plan like these things are really important too, even
00:31:07
though they're very stressful.
00:31:10
And, as I was in my stressful work where I'm like trying to
00:31:17
balance people who need me and they're on my phone all the time
00:31:21
and I'm trying to have zoom meetings with my coworkers and
00:31:24
with these contractors and my mom is like in hospice and I'm
00:31:30
still somehow supposed to put my work as a higher priority than
00:31:35
my mom who's dying, it's like what is wrong with this world?
00:31:42
This is not the world that that I want to live in, that any of
00:31:50
us should live in.
00:31:51
None of us should be living in this world that continues to
00:31:54
prioritize like what we perceive as important over what's really
00:32:02
important.
00:32:03
you, know love and life and family and and all the things
00:32:07
that you were saying earlier about that feel like prosperity.
00:32:11
So, yeah, that was that was the big shift, and I think that's
00:32:15
when I decided to go, like I was doing my yoga and deeper
00:32:22
meditations, and I just felt that I really needed to go
00:32:25
inside and to start learning more about what was inside of me
00:32:29
, um, to figure out how I could realign um with what, what was
00:32:36
like the bigger purpose in my life.
00:32:39
And so I think that did lead me into to shamanism, because it's
00:32:43
a very um, it's a very quick and deep way to get to your
00:32:48
inner self, like, if you want to really dive in and find out
00:32:53
what's on the other side of the veil, go down that road.
00:33:02
Speaker 1: It's kind of like tempting, but a bit scary at the
00:33:05
same time.
00:33:07
Speaker 2: It's.
00:33:07
You know, I had done yoga for many years and, um, um, actually
00:33:12
my teacher is is, uh, australian, and I went to India
00:33:16
with her and it's a very soft practice.
00:33:18
It's very powerful but it's very soft.
00:33:20
It's kind of like water and the the shamanic practices are like
00:33:24
fire.
00:33:25
But if you need to, if you need big shifts, if you're feeling
00:33:30
that the world just is is not right and you want to shed a
00:33:35
whole bunch of the past or fears or traumas, it's a very good
00:33:40
way to to really dive in and to do it wow, it's really
00:33:46
interesting, isn't it?
00:33:47
Speaker 1: like I was talking about, like, how, um, you know
00:33:50
opportunities have changed for us and that you don't have to
00:33:53
stick with the same thing for the rest of your life, but also
00:33:58
there seems to be this big shift towards like healing trauma,
00:34:01
and like people are much more aware of these parts of
00:34:07
themselves that need healing.
00:34:09
Um and um, like it took me a while to sort of grasp what all
00:34:19
that meant, and it's been, you know, part of my process.
00:34:23
It's just like you know, if you understand more and more about
00:34:27
what that means, um, but how that healing is almost like an
00:34:35
essential part of then being able to get back to that loving.
00:34:40
What did you refer to yourself as being?
00:34:44
That big ball of love, big ball of love.
00:34:49
Speaker 2: Big ball of love.
00:34:50
Yeah, that's in planning skills .
00:34:58
Speaker 1: But yeah, that we need to go through.
00:35:03
It's almost like we need to go through it, but it's hard, right
00:35:07
?
00:35:07
It requires some what did I say ?
00:35:12
Curiosity to start with, and then some determination and some
00:35:18
bravery.
00:35:19
Yeah, lots of courage, Courage yeah, lots of courage, but it's
00:35:25
almost like facing that stuff is almost like an essential part
00:35:32
of being able to move to the next step, although it kind of
00:35:38
comes in layers, doesn't it?
00:35:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's spirals, it's like or onion
00:35:44
layers or you know.
00:35:45
Speaker 1: but yes, there's, there's, yeah so it's not like
00:35:49
you can't, it's not like you have to do all of the work in
00:35:53
inverted commas before you can feel the you know, feel the love
00:35:58
.
00:35:58
Let's just say keep it simple Like yeah, it does kind of shift
00:36:04
, doesn't it?
00:36:04
It's like you get these like little pockets of feedback where
00:36:09
things just start to feel better, or you realize, oh, I
00:36:12
didn't get triggered by that experience.
00:36:14
Even though like you weren't deliberately focusing on that
00:36:18
thing.
00:36:18
You're like oh, oh, I'm not as angry anymore.
00:36:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's an interesting what I think one
00:36:27
of the the gifts if I can be so bold is to say that that that
00:36:31
I've been given in this whole process of healing people.
00:36:35
People have come to me for healing and have come to me with
00:36:39
traumas or just feeling bad, just, or sad or just hurt.
00:36:50
You know just heavy is.
00:36:54
You know you come in, your heart has been closed down
00:36:58
because the world just doesn't care or doesn't.
00:37:02
You know, and and and I and they and they come and they're
00:37:05
just kind of afraid and kind of scared and what I do is first
00:37:14
make them feel held, make them feel that they are held by.
00:37:22
Not maybe they didn't have a great mother and father, maybe
00:37:25
they did, or maybe it doesn't even matter, but that the world
00:37:29
is holding us, that that the earth is holding us, that the
00:37:33
stars are holding us, you know the astrology of the planets is
00:37:37
holding us and that we are loved .
00:37:40
You know, if you believe in a creator, that the creator is
00:37:43
holding us and then in that love and that support, starting to
00:37:51
look at one of your fears or looking at one of your wounds
00:37:55
with that kind of lens of love is a little less scary.
00:38:02
So that's kind of how I try and approach it and I think it's a
00:38:05
much more feminine approach than like when I learned shamanism
00:38:10
it was, it is.
00:38:12
It was like kind of the I did the four winds, but Dr Alberto
00:38:16
Villota was amazing, but it's a masculine approach, even though
00:38:22
it is a very, a very feminine.
00:38:23
You know, all shamanism is much more feminine but it is
00:38:25
masculine, it is fire, and so I am trying to bring in more of
00:38:29
that nurturing, you know, earth and water and and just kind of
00:38:35
holding people so that it isn't quite so kind of like Richard
00:38:38
Rudd.
00:38:39
He's just very soft and I think that helps people feel that
00:38:45
facing their traumas and healing so that they can find love and
00:38:49
joy in their life isn't such a daunting task.
00:38:52
Because it shouldn't.
00:38:53
It shouldn't have to be no.
00:38:58
Speaker 1: No, so let's get finally get a little bit deeper
00:39:03
into what shamanic healing is, or shamanic medicine and like
00:39:11
what.
00:39:11
Yeah, so what is it?
00:39:13
And then you know what would one expect to experience when
00:39:18
they come for healing, healing session.
00:39:21
Okay, is it talking or is it ritualistic?
00:39:24
Speaker 2: a bit of both.
00:39:25
Sure, and I can, I will talk about so, like I was just saying
00:39:30
.
00:39:30
So I learned the shamanic energy medicine, yeah, um, as
00:39:34
developed by dr albert tobyalba and the Four Winds, which are
00:39:38
based on the Peruvian shamans, the Quechua, the Andean people,
00:39:46
the caros of that area.
00:39:48
So if you were to ask what a healing from a Native American
00:39:53
tribe looks like, it would probably be different, but I
00:39:57
think that from a energy healing that is somewhat universal,
00:40:03
right, so this is an energy healing, so it's not entirely
00:40:06
unlike reiki, but reiki is, let's say, from japan.
00:40:09
So that's a different tradition , different technique.
00:40:12
For my healing is person comes in um, either in person or on
00:40:17
the zoom, because energy healing does work uh, remotely, like
00:40:22
you don't have to be in the same physical space as a person.
00:40:25
Yeah, um, you, you kind of, first of all it's just intuitive
00:40:33
listening.
00:40:33
It's that what?
00:40:36
What is first of all, what is the person struggling with, and
00:40:40
then what is behind that thing, and so that's part of I mean, I
00:40:47
think that you know they, shamanism teaches that there's
00:40:51
this sort of world beyond what we can see, and so as you begin
00:40:56
to feel into that, that beyond realm, you can start to
00:41:01
understand what is beyond what their words are.
00:41:04
And then the idea is that our let's say, our traumas, our
00:41:10
wounds, all have little energetic imprints within our
00:41:15
body and especially within the chakra system, our body and
00:41:23
especially within the the chakra system, and that they, because
00:41:25
our mind and our body and our memories like we're just this
00:41:26
big energetic connected being so , they will go.
00:41:30
So let's say you have, um, a big trauma around something that
00:41:37
happened in your childhood and that trauma you just can't seem
00:41:42
to get into a good relationship with a man or a woman because
00:41:47
that keeps repeating itself.
00:41:49
It's this repeating pattern story and it lives in your body
00:41:52
now.
00:41:54
And so that energy before you can need, before you can start
00:42:00
shifting your perspective, you just got to clear that energy.
00:42:03
So for starters it's just finding where that energy lives
00:42:06
in the chakra system and then bringing intention into that,
00:42:11
healing and clearing that system out.
00:42:13
And then you, you clear the negative, the heavy I don't like
00:42:17
to use the word negative, let's say heavy energy.
00:42:19
Give it to the fire, give it to the earth, let it mulch, and
00:42:23
you bring in nice, clean, clear, golden light from the universe
00:42:27
and just fill that chakra system and then your systems start
00:42:33
working smoothly, you're lighter , you're a little bit more open,
00:42:36
more open, and then if you can start doing your own personal
00:42:45
work you know, as as the client on on creating new habits and
00:42:46
new patterns, then you're you're kind of cleared and you can
00:42:49
have a big shift.
00:42:49
So that's the sort of the guts of a shamanic energy healing.
00:42:55
But beyond, behind it, is this acknowledgement that there is
00:43:01
spirit working, that there is the ancestors, that there is
00:43:08
these sort of higher powers that are working.
00:43:12
And when you open up to them, when you open that healing
00:43:16
system up, then bigger shifts can happen within, within your
00:43:22
whole trajectory, and that's a little bit harder to explain.
00:43:27
But that's where the miracles and the magic really happen.
00:43:30
When you're like, okay, well, I came in for this, this like
00:43:35
little thing, but now it's, the created is cascade, and now my
00:43:39
heart is open and I'm full of love and grace has descended on
00:43:43
me and I'm like, wow, because that can happen, like those
00:43:48
things happen, because the world is this beautiful, benevolent
00:43:51
place that wants to bring joy and grace and love back into
00:43:55
your system.
00:43:56
That you have been feeling I'm not saying you need, I'm like
00:43:59
talking about like the big you.
00:44:01
It's like we've been feeling like we're just this, like small
00:44:06
, disempowered, sad thing, and the world is like, no, you're
00:44:12
amazing, you are beautiful, you are radiant light, and like when
00:44:17
that can come back in in in one of my healing sessions and like
00:44:20
that downloads back into that person and they feel that and
00:44:23
they're like oh, and I'm like yay, oh, my god that sounds
00:44:29
amazing.
00:44:31
Speaker 1: does it last like?
00:44:35
Do they continue to feel like that or is there still an
00:44:38
ongoing like?
00:44:40
Speaker 2: That depends on the person that depends on the
00:44:44
person.
00:44:44
Speaker 1: Like just take over, can't it?
00:44:47
Like you'd have these amazing experiences, but but like if you
00:44:50
don't kind of stay connected with them?
00:44:53
Like little by little, the old habits can start to.
00:44:58
They can sneak back.
00:44:59
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that is the truth.
00:45:01
Like we can have these glimpses of our own perfection and this
00:45:08
happened to me, you know, for many, many years.
00:45:11
During yoga, you have a meditation and you start to
00:45:14
experience this, but if you do not make shifts in your life to
00:45:18
align with that, you will go back to being that, like what
00:45:24
you were before.
00:45:25
And yes, so there are.
00:45:26
There are people that I have seen that take that into, like
00:45:31
they say, okay, I am going to make changes in my life to align
00:45:35
with, like, I am going to get rid of that toxic relationship
00:45:39
that isn't serving me.
00:45:41
I am going to do these things.
00:45:43
And then there are people that are really addicted to their
00:45:45
story of suffering and they aren't ready to make those
00:45:53
changes and I can't control, excuse me, if that person is
00:45:59
going to or not, but I can give them the potential and at least
00:46:03
show them that it's out there, yeah, and maybe hopefully give,
00:46:09
give people the tools to keep, like you were saying, to keep
00:46:13
reconnecting and to to ask spirit and ask the universe to
00:46:18
help bring in that prosperity.
00:46:21
Because this is what I believe is that when you shine out as
00:46:31
who you are, when you are prosperity, when you are love,
00:46:36
when you are joy, those things will reflect back to you.
00:46:42
Just like you were saying, when we mirror the people, like we
00:46:46
attract what we are, we don't attract, like we don't manifest
00:46:51
by saying, oh, I want a shiny red car.
00:46:55
Oh, and you say that to yourself every morning and then
00:46:57
the shiny red car appears.
00:46:59
You would you manifest it by just being full of whatever it
00:47:04
is that you want to be.
00:47:06
Speaker 1: If you want to be prosperous, you should feel
00:47:09
prosperous yeah, and I one thing I've noticed recently, like,
00:47:17
obviously, um, spending more time and they say that you're
00:47:21
the sum of the people that you spend the most time with.
00:47:24
Right, when you see someone who is living as themselves,
00:47:34
authentically, in a loving way.
00:47:38
Because I think that when people you know, for example on
00:47:41
social media, when someone's bagging someone else out, that's
00:47:43
probably not them being authentic, like there's probably
00:47:47
a whole bunch of wounding stuff and fear that's going, yeah,
00:47:51
that's coming out of their mouth .
00:47:53
When you see someone who is embodying these kind of
00:47:59
principles in their life, there's nothing about them that
00:48:02
you can't like.
00:48:03
Even if they say something that you don't necessarily agree
00:48:07
with or understand, they don't say it because they want to tell
00:48:12
you that that's what you should be.
00:48:13
Or you know there's I don't know, there's just and and you
00:48:18
feel like I mean Richard Rudd is a perfect example.
00:48:23
When he talks to people, he talks to them as another human
00:48:28
being.
00:48:29
He doesn't talk to them as Richard Rudd, who's written
00:48:33
these amazing books and doing all these amazing things in the
00:48:35
world.
00:48:35
He's not like up on his pedestal things in the world and
00:48:42
he's not like up on his pedestal um, you can really see
00:48:43
that he's like just connected to whoever he's talking to, and um
00:48:45
, yes, it's.
00:48:46
Uh.
00:48:46
I've gone off on another tangent, erin um, I love
00:48:53
tangents.
00:48:54
Speaker 2: They're beautiful things to go on.
00:48:56
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so beautiful yeah, I can't remember what I
00:49:01
was saying anyway, but anyway, we're talking about authentic
00:49:07
people, yes, or that.
00:49:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just just being and that kind of healing,
00:49:11
I guess.
00:49:12
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing.
00:49:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing you don't like because we have
00:49:15
that.
00:49:16
That's where I was going with it.
00:49:17
We, we kind of have this fear, or I certainly do personally.
00:49:19
What will people think of me?
00:49:22
Speaker 2: if I do this.
00:49:26
Speaker 1: But when you're doing the things, when you're being
00:49:30
who you're being authentically for want of a better word you
00:49:35
know we hear a lot of that be your authentic self business but
00:49:38
like if you're deeply being your authentic self, like
00:49:42
without any of that kind of negative self-talk, when you're
00:49:45
going from a place of love, people feel it regardless of
00:49:50
what you're saying.
00:49:51
You're not offensive, you're not out to hurt anyone or be
00:49:57
better than anyone.
00:49:58
You're just like living who you want to be, which I think
00:50:03
probably back right at the beginning of our conversation,
00:50:06
was something that you talked about.
00:50:08
Speaker 2: right, that you weren't, didn't feel, yeah,
00:50:10
wrong, you were being yourself well, I think that what you were
00:50:14
saying just really hit on a really nice point.
00:50:18
A little little bumble over here Like this, this idea of
00:50:25
like this authentic self that doesn't feel authentic because
00:50:29
it's from like a wound or it's.
00:50:31
It's like I'm afraid to be myself, but I'm going to go out
00:50:35
and like be myself with like kind of gritted teeth or you
00:50:39
know, and just like and it's.
00:50:41
I think it's like that's our ego really getting getting
00:50:46
involved in the situation instead of just our heart, like
00:50:51
leading from our heart, will just show us the way.
00:50:57
And then the and that's.
00:50:59
I tell a lot of people that like I'm, like I don't really trust
00:51:02
my mind, and they're like, really, and I'm like, yeah, my
00:51:09
mind is, is it's a problem, it's it's good for doing math and
00:51:17
yeah, driving a car, but from in terms of being our authentic
00:51:23
self or feeling into what my sole purpose is or what I should
00:51:29
talk to Nadine about in the podcast, no, it won't do me much
00:51:33
good.
00:51:33
Like my heart is going to guide me into what feels right.
00:51:38
And that's when you said going to guide me into what feels
00:51:42
right.
00:51:43
Speaker 1: And that's when you said, like it's about being with
00:51:44
love, because that's you're just radiating who you are and
00:51:46
who you are, who we all are, is love and joy and connection yeah
00:51:52
, and when you do see those things in others and you think,
00:51:56
oh, wow, that person's amazing, you, you kind of yeah, that that
00:52:01
they're part of who you are as well.
00:52:04
So I think that's a really good reminder.
00:52:05
Um, but also when we don't feel , you know, if we worry, you
00:52:11
know, come off the podcast, for example, and we're worried about
00:52:14
did I say the right thing?
00:52:15
Oh, I went off on a tangent.
00:52:17
You know the, you know my the mind, to listen with love as
00:52:24
well and compassion for yourself , that like there's a part of
00:52:29
you.
00:52:29
That that's, you know, for whatever reason.
00:52:33
Speaker 2: Um, feeling those feelings, yeah, um, yeah, and
00:52:39
they're valid and and the tangents that we go on are
00:52:43
because we were supposed to go on them.
00:52:46
You know, like that is the flow .
00:52:48
The flow just goes where it goes and you know, every once in
00:52:51
a while we have to come back and look at our watch or say, oh
00:52:54
my, how have we been talking for an hour?
00:52:56
But um, that's, that's the beauty of being in the flow, and
00:53:00
this is something that that, as I've released a lot of my
00:53:04
conditioning and given myself this opportunity to do a shift
00:53:08
and to step back, it's just fundamentally changed how I
00:53:12
approach the world.
00:53:13
So even like, okay, you know, I need to make some money.
00:53:17
I'm going to start doing some architecture again.
00:53:19
I'm going to do, you know, some , some stuff.
00:53:21
I'm going to do it in a totally different way than I would have
00:53:24
three years ago.
00:53:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:53:25
Speaker 2: And that's what's important is that we I have
00:53:29
shifted into how I look at the world and how I flow with the
00:53:33
world and how I show up in the world.
00:53:36
And so then, no matter what we do whether I do shamanic healing
00:53:41
or write a book or design a building, it doesn't matter what
00:53:46
we do a podcast and being an actress it matters how we do it,
00:53:50
how we show up.
00:53:51
That's what's important.
00:53:53
Like that, we're showing up in love and light and compassion
00:53:58
and kindness.
00:53:59
That's it.
00:54:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
00:54:02
And, as you said, wherever you are right now, you're exactly
00:54:05
where you're meant to be.
00:54:05
So, even if you think it's going to be a certain way and it
00:54:08
doesn't turn out the way that or it leads in a completely
00:54:12
different direction, it's like you did this thing to get to
00:54:16
that next place.
00:54:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:54:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great perspective to have and yeah
00:54:29
like you said, it's uh feels like truth.
00:54:31
We have going back to the time, we have reached an hour, but
00:54:36
you've had, you've given us so many words of wisdom and I know
00:54:39
that you're um, well, the, the magic word in this episode has
00:54:44
absolutely been love.
00:54:45
Um, but do you have anything that you just to put you on the
00:54:50
spot, really anything?
00:54:52
Anything that you would like to close the conversation with a
00:54:56
message to the listeners, like anything?
00:55:01
Speaker 2: final thoughts.
00:55:02
Final thoughts if I could leave one thought with all of your
00:55:07
listeners, it would be take a moment each day to feel into
00:55:15
your heart and to feel into love and joy and gratitude for both
00:55:23
of those.
00:55:24
And if you aren't finding that, if you're, if you're lost and
00:55:28
are not feeling any of those words, then maybe go sit outside
00:55:32
for a minute until you can feel it, because it's everywhere
00:55:35
around you, it's in all the breath.
00:55:39
Speaker 1: It's just about reconnecting with it yeah,
00:55:42
that's beautiful, great advice and maybe get a shamanic healing
00:55:47
from you.
00:55:49
Speaker 2: Yeah check out my book.
00:55:50
Can I show you my book?
00:55:52
Speaker 1: yeah, please how cool finding love balance and
00:55:56
harmony for ourselves for ourselves, for the world right
00:56:00
and where can we get hold of that?
00:56:01
We'll put links in the notes you can get it on amazon right,
00:56:06
okay yeah okay, great, we'll.
00:56:08
We'll put that in the notes.
00:56:09
Um, yeah, and also, if uh, your website, I'll pop in the notes
00:56:14
as well.
00:56:14
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and obviously yes, if I can ever
00:56:17
provide healings for anyone or help anyway, please check out my
00:56:20
, my website and we can connect and all of the things.
00:56:25
So thank you for having me and I hope we'll talk again.
00:56:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so too.
00:56:30
What are we?
00:56:31
The room 70 girls yeah, I love it thanks so much, nadine.
00:56:39
Thank you so much for joining us.
00:56:41
Have a great rest of your day evening evening.
00:56:46
Speaker 2: Yep, it's uh 7 30 pm here.
00:56:48
Oh wow, yeah, my day's just almost lunchtime, now perfect
00:56:54
thanks, I really appreciate your time.
00:56:56
Bye, yes, bye.