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Have you ever met someone who seamlessly bridges the spiritual with the hustle of everyday life? Carol Szuky from Toronto is just that person, and in our latest episode, she offers a refreshing take on being a 'practical spiritual hustler.' Juggling roles as a mother, wife, and entrepreneur, Carol shares with us her journey of integrating spirituality into the daily grind, providing a heartfelt account of how she finds gratitude in the chaos and aligns her various life roles with her spiritual practice.
Carol doesn't shy away from the real talk; she delves into her profound personal evolution sparked by her father's passing, the introspection that followed, and the work she's put into her marriage and family life. She candidly discusses the delicate balance of nurturing her spirituality while managing the relentless demands of motherhood and partnership. Her story isn't just inspiring—it's a guiding light for anyone attempting to navigate the complexities of personal growth amidst the commitments of family and relationships.
In a bold move that many of us dream of but seldom dare to make, Carol recounts her career transition from a secure job to embracing the uncertainty of entrepreneurship, driven by her spiritual insights and intuition. As she navigates the reactions of her family to her spiritual path and unveils her approach to motherhood and business, she encourages a shift in perspective—from striving for high achievement to prioritizing happiness and fulfillment. If you're looking for an open and empowering discussion that challenges conventional views on work-life balance and spirituality, this inspiring episode with Carol SZuky is a must-listen.
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Speaker 1: All right, hello, hello.
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It's Nadine here, and I'm here with this week's episode of Life
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, health and the Universe, and today I'm joined by Carol Zuki
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from Toronto, canada.
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Welcome, carol, it's great to have you here, Thank you.
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Nadine, yes, it is yeah, monday morning here for me in
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Australia and 5pm for you there in Toronto.
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Speaker 2: It's 5pm and it's Super Bowl Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Okay, super Bowl Sunday oh wow.
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Does that mean you're missing out on something?
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Speaker 2: Oh, not at all, not yet.
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I mean, I'm really here, I'm just here for the halftime show
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and other than that.
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I'm going to check.
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Speaker 1: Cool, so welcome.
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Let me do a quick intro of you to our listeners and then I'll
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hand over to you.
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I'm going to start with a couple of things that you have
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on your website, because we know that you're a mentor and a
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speaker and you focus your expertise on spirituality,
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personal development, entrepreneurship and motherhood.
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But what I love is when you call yourself a practical
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spiritual hustler.
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Yes, and you're a mum, wife and mentor, and what I love about
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that is that you can do all of the things, because that's what
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mums do, right.
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Speaker 2: That's what we do, whether we like it or not.
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That's a good deal, whether we like it or not, and we don't
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always have just one role in this life.
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Speaker 1: We have many, and so I love that you're bringing all
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of that together.
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Welcome.
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I think that we're going to have a great conversation.
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I'm really grateful for you to be here with us today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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The honor is mine, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: So tell us, what bits and pieces do you want to fill
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in the gaps with.
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Did I miss anything out, or did we kind of get that in a
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nutshell for you?
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a really good nutshell you got.
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I like it.
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I mean you've said a lot of the things, all the things.
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I can't even think of anything more, but we can definitely just
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dive into all of the things, yeah great, yeah, I'm looking
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forward to it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a whole bunch of notes.
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I'm going to just have a quick squeeze through.
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Let's just get into.
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Let's just get straight into the nuts and bolts.
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Practical spiritual hustler, so we can break that down.
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Yes, like I love that.
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You know, obviously you talk about being a mum and a wife and
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that requires some practicality , right, absolutely.
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And I love that you can kind of start to integrate that into
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some kind of spiritual work.
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But you also use the word hustler and I want to dig into
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that as well, because I just wonder about entrepreneurship
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and motherhood and hustling and whether they all go together or
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not, right?
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So what is a practical spiritual hustler?
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Speaker 2: Yes, practical spirituality, hustler.
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It just it kind of defines who I am.
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I'm very practical, I'm also very spiritual, but practically
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spiritual, but I preach it so much that it's like I'm hustling
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it Okay, and I'm very much like a go getter.
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A lot of spiritual people that I'm doing air quotes here, if
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you're not seeing this.
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Spiritual people are known to be very, you know, flowy and
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soft and you know, sometimes very, very gentle.
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And you know I'm just not, I'm a bit of a tomboy.
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You know it's like my message usually comes out.
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Even if it's channeled, it's a very, it's a firm message, very
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present, very knowing, and so sometimes I'm not very, very
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fairy, and so that's why I kind of use the word hustler, just to
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kind of add that little spunk that I am into.
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You know the way that I convey my messages.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, and I can see that in your, in your on
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your Instagram, like there's definitely a very fun, loving
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bit of spirituality going on there.
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I saw your post, one of your recent posts, where you're
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cooking up something.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, in your cold room.
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Speaker 1: But it's all very yeah, it's all kind of fun, fun
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and and yeah, it's got a great energy about it, so so I think
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you need to.
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Yeah, it's great to see.
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Okay, so let's get into a little bit more detail, like
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because we're hearing this a lot , and obviously the podcast is
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called Life, health and the Universe.
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So I'm totally down with you know, the spirituality side of
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things and how, like our life and our health and our
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spirituality, the universe, they're all interconnected and
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you start to see threads of things coming together and
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that's kind of why I named the podcast what I Did.
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But we're hearing spirituality, you know, used a lot, a lot.
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Yes, more recently.
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I remember, like I come from a place I don't know if you would
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have heard of it in the UK called Glastonbury.
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So, it's kind of like pretty out there, like and spiritual.
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So so I have my own kind of idea of what spirituality is,
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but I never really, until probably in the last three or
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four years, kind of really started to feel like I was
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embodying some kind of spirituality myself.
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It never really felt like something, and I feel like more
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and more people are doing that.
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But, what does it mean for you?
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What does spirituality mean?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I really find the most important part of
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spirituality is really tuning into yourself.
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It's not so much reaching out and finding, you know,
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benevolent beings and, and, and you know, really trying to.
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In my own opinion now, it's not so much trying to take from
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what's around you, it's tuning in and really understanding your
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presence, your purpose, how you need to serve, just on a day to
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day basis and when you're in tune with that.
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To me, I find that to be, you know, somebody practicing
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spirituality and just just tuning into nature, tuning into
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goodness, tuning into gratitude it's.
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It's funny how just the simple practice of gratitude alone is
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not something that people do every day.
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And it's so simple, right, and there's always something to wake
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up and be grateful for and, of course, as you go about your day
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and you make it to the next, there are so many things to be
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grateful for.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, and do you so?
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Do you have a gratitude practice, like, is it integrated
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into just your everyday, or do you have like a a point in in
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your day, you know, towards the end of the day, where you write
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it down or share with others what you're grateful for or what
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you're grateful about, right, grateful for them, how you're
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grateful, trying to get my words sorted.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's Monday morning for you, right?
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Speaker 1: I have been up for a while, but yeah, it is Monday
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morning.
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Speaker 2: Yes, no, and that's a great question.
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And of course this is where you know practical spirituality is
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kind of what I preach.
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Sometimes I will write things down.
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I wish I could say that I am in my journal every day, writing
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down all the things I'm grateful for and la, la, la, la la.
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But I'm very practical with my spirituality.
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So it's like sometimes it's just a matter of you know, you wake
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up and you're thankful that you have you know, you're breathing
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today, you're walking today, the sun is shining today, but then
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as you go about your day, sometimes I will just, you know,
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my, my teenager will come and sit with me and talk to me and I
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just revel in how much you know .
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Wow, look at how much my you know my son has grown.
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Look at how handsome he's getting he just told me that he
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got 100 on his on his test and you know, just just kind of
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taking that extra minute or two to be grateful for that one
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thing that happened today, that didn't happen the other, and so
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on and so forth.
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So a lot of times it's just in the moment and just just knowing
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.
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You know, I do have that mindset that every day is a day
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full of experiences, to to be grateful for and to enjoy,
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because life is a whole journey and all of it.
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Whether it's lessons that you're learning or you know,
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great things are happening.
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Speaker 1: It's all working in your favor and it's all worth
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celebrating, yeah definitely Okay before we go any further,
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because I've got a few things, a couple of things that I'd love
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to talk to you about based on what you've just said.
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But can you tell us a little bit about your own journey?
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Like, when we talk about spirituality and you've talked
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about it's, it's almost like coming back to yourself.
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Was there a?
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Do you feel like you've always been a spiritual person?
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I feel like you touched on like channeling or that something,
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and I've seen in your Instagram that you you might use tarot
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cards or or affirmation cards or Oracle, that sort of thing.
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Do you feel like you've always had that kind of intuitive
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knowing, or is this something that's kind of come around
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because of your personal experiences?
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Speaker 2: Mmm, that's a oh.
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You have such great questions.
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I'm a nosey parka.
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I love it.
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No, that's great.
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So as I was growing up no, as I was growing up, I thought I was
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just, I was a bit weird, I was a bit different.
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I, you know I don't like to speak negatively about myself,
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but in my mind I was a bit of a loser, right, I didn't, I didn't
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quite fit in and I didn't know why, and I didn't care for the
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things that the kids were talking about or, as I grew up,
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the teenagers were talking about or the young adults were
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talking about.
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I was just always kind of there , but not fully present and
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engaged in.
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I was a little bit, I guess, older in my years.
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So now, in retrospect, I guess this would be why.
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And when you ask, you know, was there kind of like this time in
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my life where the spirituality really kind of kicked in?
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Absolutely, in 2019, I unexpectedly lost my father and
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that, and that was late in 2019.
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That was in November.
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And Q 2020, right, so there was this moment of losing something
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that meant so much to me or someone who meant so much to me.
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In my life, especially as a male figure, I didn't have very
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many positive role models in my life other than my father.
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Right, that unconditional love of a good father was something,
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I guess, that I kind of took for granted.
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So, losing my dad, I realized I lost the rock that I could lean
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on and I love, you know using that phrase because my dad's
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nickname was Rocky.
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So, having losing that, I really had to tune in and find
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the love for myself, the respect for myself, the care for myself
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that I was not getting from my father anymore, and it really
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helped me understand how important it is to tune in to
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who you are.
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I've had to, you know, go to therapy before that and my dad
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was still alive and my therapist had asked you know, what do you
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like to do?
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What do you do in your spare time?
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I'm like, oh, you know, I'm busy with the kids, or I like to
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spend time with my kids, or you know where me and the kids are
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going into the movies, or I take the kids to the park, or.
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And then she's like no, but who are you?
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What do you like to do?
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What are your hobbies?
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And I cried because I had no idea, I had no, I couldn't
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answer.
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What does Carol, like and now, if you ask me, I can rhyme off a
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whole bunch of things, but it's interesting how sometimes
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motherhood and, you know, marriage might kind of cause
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women to forget how important it is to stay in tune with
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yourself.
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And it's not always about giving .
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I guess you do have to give and be present for your family, but
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then there's also you where you have to be given, be present to
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yourself, and that was something I didn't do.
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And so having that time in 2020 to really just slow down at
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that time, all four of my kids were busy.
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They were all competitive athletes, so I was constantly
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driving and sitting in places.
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Like for us to sit at home and have dinner together was not
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really a thing, right?
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So, to have that time to actually settle in, settle into
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myself, grieve right and just be .
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I was.
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I was missing that for a long time and I, I guess I didn't
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realize how much of myself I was missing, and so just really
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enjoying being able to do that and I really feel like, leading
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up to my father's passing and and after, I feel like many
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guides and opportunities to tune into my spirituality were just
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put in place.
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Yeah, it was one friend after the other, or, as somebody
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recommends a psychic or this intuitive opportunity, or hey,
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let's try this meditation, or you know, we should go to this
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yoga class.
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It was just these things that would just come into place and
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you know it was available on my schedule and just everything
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just falling into place for me on this spiritual journey.
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Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that.
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I'm sorry that you lost your dad.
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Yeah, it brings up.
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Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 1: So I just wonder, like when you are, I mean I want
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to get back into the spirituality thing.
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But I just had a thought then, like how easy is it or how
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difficult is it to spend that time kind of going in turn,
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going internally, reflecting, you know, tapping into your,
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your awareness, your spirituality more when you do
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have kids in a family, how much do you shed, like did you find
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yourself going very internal, or is it like this is your private
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time?
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when you go in in wood, then you've got your, then you've got
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your mom and wife face on the outside, or do you?
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Do?
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You, you know, talk to your partner and your kids about this
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stuff?
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How did that kind of?
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Speaker 2: well, I guess, I guess we're going to get a
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little.
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We're going to get a little bit juicier to here now.
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So, because of all of this, all this spiritual awakening, this,
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this ascension, it also brought to light that my marriage
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needed a lot of work.
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It brought to light that the marriage that I thought I had
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and and you know the little, the little quarrels and the little
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this is just, you know, marriage just is hard.
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This is just life with four kids.
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Well, that wasn't the case.
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My husband is actually someone who suffers with narcissistic
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personality disorder.
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That being said, so 2019 was my dad, 2020 is the pandemic and
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2021 was the year I said to my husband I can't do this anymore.
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We've tried therapy, we've tried marriage counseling.
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I cannot handle this emotional, psychological, you know, mental
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abuse anymore.
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I cannot stay in this marriage.
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And that really woke him up.
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That was his rock bottom, that was his.
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Okay, I guess I actually have a problem because, you know, my
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wife has told me that you know, this marriage is hard before and
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she's sick of my BS and what have you?
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La, la, la la.
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But she's serious.
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He knew in my eyes and in my heart I wasn't going, I was
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ready, I was ready, I was done.
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I didn't love him anymore.
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I couldn't love the only person who disrespected me so much.
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My husband did so much work, and I mean daily work and there
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were times, even after I agreed to stay, that I actually wanted
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to go.
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There were times where I was like you know what he can't
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actually do?
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This he's, you know, in his 40s and how can he actually change
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as a person.
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But when you do the really deep work, that's not just talk
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therapy, it did really help.
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And so, that being said, he was at a point too where he was
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like whatever you need, whatever you need, whatever time you
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need, wherever you need to go, whatever you need to do, do it.
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And so he finally gave me that time to be able to serve myself,
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know what I need, say what I need and want.
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And so, to answer your question, it's definitely easier that my
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kids are much older.
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So here we're in 2024 and my baby is 15.
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And my eldest is 21.
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So they're very self-sufficient .
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You know individuals and human beings and amazing human beings,
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I must say, and they also knew and supported that.
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You know mom needs to take this time, you know.
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So I've been given a lot of grace, which every mother
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deserves, right.
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But we forget that sometimes and think we have to keep doing.
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But sometimes we need to just be, and I guess my kids and
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obviously my husband, we're seeing that you know what Mom's
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still doing, everything she needs to do and everything just
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works out as it should, right, I mean?
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And then somehow you do find the time to also just be by
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yourself and love yourself alone and then at the same time
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you're also just as present, or more, for your family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, thank you for sharing that.
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I saw your post about your marriage being 18 years.
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I had no idea that, obviously like we've never met before, so
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of course I had no idea, but yeah thank you for sharing that
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and I think it's really interesting, like I, there's
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like universal patterns, right?
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So you've come to this point and obviously your dad passing
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away was a trigger to this personal evolution.
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I guess you would say yes, absolutely, but happened around
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your 40s could easily be seen as the midlife crisis.
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Right, right, yes.
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It's really interesting how we have that, but it's actually
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like no.
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This is a point in my life where, like, all of this stuff's
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been happening, life's been happening to me, and now you
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have this period of time where you start to reflect and that
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process of like finding yourself and loving yourself you start
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to your relationships can change right Cause you're like no, I'm
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not doing this.
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Speaker 2: That's right, and you know, there is something
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magical about the 40s where you're just like you know what
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I've done a lot of life in my years and I definitely know what
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I can and cannot take into my fifties right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's taken.
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It's kind of taken with a pinch of salt, isn't it?
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Oh, they've gone mad.
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You know they're a midlife crisis, but in fact it's yeah,
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it's an evolutionary process that both men and women go
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through.
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Speaker 2: And you know what I kind of feel personally that a
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midlife crisis, quote unquote, is the same as a spiritual
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awakening and your ascension.
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Yeah, it truly is, it's just a different term.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.
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Okay, so let me think.
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So you've gone through this whole process from 2019.
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Prior to that, probably, you were spending a whole bunch of
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time being a mum, right?
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Were you working in that time as well, or were you full-time
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parenting?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not work .
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Speaker 1: Right, it's work.
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Oh, yeah, you're right.
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It's like the never-ending work of being a mum.
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That's right.
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Yeah, that's it.
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So did you have a job or a business at the same time as
00:22:55
well?
00:22:56
Speaker 2: Yes, I kind of had both.
00:22:58
So 2010 was my first venture into entrepreneurship.
00:23:02
I had a fitness business.
00:23:05
I taught a lot of Korean post-natal classes because
00:23:09
obviously that was the era that I was in, and then also I loved
00:23:15
to dance, so I was also a Zoom instructor.
00:23:17
Oh cool yeah, and that was really great because I was able
00:23:22
to stay home and raise my children and so by the time that
00:23:26
they were all kind of going to school full-time, then I
00:23:32
realized that I kind of have a lot of time on my hands and I
00:23:36
didn't necessarily want to ramp up the fitness business because
00:23:39
I felt like it was taking a toll on my body and I have certain
00:23:45
reserves about how the health and fitness industry views what
00:23:50
health and fitness is, and that's just a whole nother
00:23:52
podcast.
00:23:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know just from your podcast.
00:23:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a background in fitness as well.
00:24:01
My husband and I used to own a gym.
00:24:03
So oh, there you go.
00:24:05
Yes, so, yes.
00:24:07
So I totally would feel that.
00:24:09
Speaker 2: Yes, it was kind of a double-edged sword that I was
00:24:12
battling with there, and so, as my kids got really busy and it's
00:24:17
like I was home when they needed me, but I was out
00:24:21
teaching classes as soon as they would come home and if my kids
00:24:24
were sick or they just wanted to see mom.
00:24:26
And then they started to go into their activities.
00:24:28
I'd have to drive them to dance , baseball, hockey, it just it
00:24:32
wasn't working out anymore.
00:24:34
So I said to myself I would love a job where you know and
00:24:39
manifest wasn't a big word back then, but I was like I would
00:24:42
love to manifest a job that I can, you know, be home when my
00:24:47
kids are home and have the same holidays as them.
00:24:50
Like, I want to be home for the holidays, I don't want to go to
00:24:52
a full-time job.
00:24:53
And then I have to sit in rush hour and all this.
00:24:56
And I said I would just love the perfect job that would just
00:24:59
match up with their schedules.
00:25:00
Boom, what did I manifest?
00:25:02
A job in a school, ah, and so that served me.
00:25:09
From the time that my youngest started kindergarten.
00:25:13
And up until when did I say enough is enough?
00:25:18
And really, truly, from my first day of full-time work in
00:25:22
the school, I said to myself is this really what I'm going to do
00:25:26
until retirement?
00:25:27
Is this actually what I'm going to do?
00:25:29
Yeah, I guess it is.
00:25:31
And Carol realized very quickly no, it wasn't.
00:25:35
And so, year after year, I was realizing this, but so I left
00:25:39
the board 2021, I think, okay, yeah, and then I took a leave
00:25:47
and then after that I just didn't go back and I finally
00:25:53
actually terminated my position in September 2023.
00:26:01
So just a few months ago I officially said and it's funny
00:26:06
because that was when I really started to think about it I
00:26:10
thought I was going to take off.
00:26:13
You know, Because old school parenting, like my parents were
00:26:17
like are you sure you want to?
00:26:19
You know, it's such a good job, it's a government job, of
00:26:23
course, right, this old school mentality.
00:26:25
And so when I went to send that resignation, I thought that I
00:26:30
was going to have huge regrets.
00:26:31
Carol, what are you doing?
00:26:32
You know, that was your security blanket, but when I
00:26:35
pressed send Nadine, I felt so good.
00:26:37
I felt like I literally took a 20 pound backpack off my back.
00:26:44
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it?
00:26:47
I always, when we worked in the , when we had our gym in Sydney,
00:26:51
we had a lot of clients who were sort of around their 40s
00:26:54
and a lot of professional people , and they would, like you know,
00:26:58
be in busy jobs you know, work in all the hours and then they
00:27:02
would quit.
00:27:03
And I was always so excited for them because I feel like, even
00:27:08
though you don't know necessarily exactly what's going
00:27:12
to happen, you just open up this energetic field or
00:27:17
something where things start to flow much more easily, and
00:27:23
because you're following your progress.
00:27:25
Yeah, it's really interesting, and actually the other day, my
00:27:29
husband had some work that he was doing and he's just like
00:27:33
he's been done with it for a while and he finally pulled the
00:27:38
pin on it and within.
00:27:40
A week he had five new people inquiring about working with him
00:27:44
.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: Look at that, I love that, I love it, and it's magic,
00:27:49
it's brilliant.
00:27:50
Speaker 1: But we're so afraid of it aren't we, we can be
00:27:53
really afraid of change.
00:27:58
So let's talk about this.
00:27:59
I know that's one of the things that you work with your clients
00:28:02
right Fear of change.
00:28:04
Speaker 2: Yes, and this word conditioning We've had your own
00:28:07
very screaming Recent experience with change really yes, it's
00:28:13
true, and, like I was just saying, like the word
00:28:15
conditioning is just screaming out at me right now.
00:28:18
Conditioning right Conditioning, whether it's expectations that
00:28:22
we set out on ourself because of the expectations that our
00:28:25
parents had on us, or what societies told us, or friends,
00:28:30
family, and it's just conditioning and really we know
00:28:35
what we know, we know what we like, we know what we're just
00:28:39
born in.
00:28:39
It's not necessarily for everyone else to know and see,
00:28:43
but as long as we know and we trust that and we feel that
00:28:46
through our whole body, that's when you know you have to go
00:28:50
with it.
00:28:51
Right, like, listen to that nudge and make that move, press
00:28:56
that button, or you know what I mean.
00:28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you did it .
00:29:01
So, like I mentioned before, on your Instagram account you show
00:29:05
, like some like reading tarot cards or Oracle or something
00:29:10
like that.
00:29:11
When you first started to make this change for yourself and you
00:29:16
decided to give up your job and step out into the world of
00:29:21
coaching and mentoring, what guidance did you tap into?
00:29:28
Like, was it literally just a gut feeling?
00:29:31
Did you go to a psychic?
00:29:32
I remember you mentioned that.
00:29:34
Did you?
00:29:35
You know what were you tapping into when you made that decision
00:29:41
?
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I did mention earlier that it's just
00:29:44
like certain people in the spiritual community and stuff
00:29:48
were just kind of put in my place and it's all part of it.
00:29:52
I remember, man, one of the things I remember having a
00:29:57
friend who told me about this psychic when she was kind of in
00:30:03
a questionable time in her life and after losing my dad, and she
00:30:07
was just saying how she got so much clarity and answers and
00:30:11
what was going on.
00:30:12
And so after losing my dad and really not coming to well, of
00:30:19
course I've come to terms with it and I was somewhat at peace
00:30:21
with it, but you know, something was just kind of missing.
00:30:23
I needed a little bit of reassurance and I remembered
00:30:26
this psychic that my friend had referred to me to and I was just
00:30:31
like, okay, I'm gonna make an appointment.
00:30:33
That was truly foundational and , I guess, finding true peace in
00:30:43
my father's passing, the fact that this was just over the
00:30:48
phone and he was able to tap into how my father's passing
00:30:54
happened, the fact that my dad had bought a truck.
00:31:00
He's saying I'm seeing truck energy.
00:31:03
I don't know why I'm getting truck energy.
00:31:04
I was like my dad bought his dream truck.
00:31:10
I lost my father.
00:31:11
He went in for surgery and he didn't make it out.
00:31:14
He went in for heart surgery and two days later he had passed
00:31:20
on.
00:31:20
He was so excited and my dad is very kind of like when he wants
00:31:27
something he does all the research, reads all the things
00:31:29
and just kind of revels in.
00:31:30
He'll just go back to the email of the purchase and things like
00:31:34
that.
00:31:34
He picked up on the fact that my dad was so excited about this
00:31:38
truck and it's a huge thing.
00:31:40
It sounds silly but knowing my father, I know how big of a deal
00:31:44
it was For this man to not know me, have never seen me.
00:31:48
It was a phone call and to know all of that.
00:31:50
It was so reassuring.
00:31:52
It really gave me the closure that I didn't get.
00:31:57
And then I also remember that somebody had referred me to an
00:32:03
osteopath because I had pain in my shoulder and of course she
00:32:08
was an intuitive osteopath and she tuned in to me losing my
00:32:13
father and she also told me that I was a healer.
00:32:18
It was like so, here and there, right, yeah, right.
00:32:23
But she says you're a healer.
00:32:26
She's like do you know that?
00:32:27
And I'm like well, I mean, I know I love people and I like
00:32:32
making people happy and she's like, but it's your gift.
00:32:34
And then she pointed me in the direction of this book called
00:32:41
Light is the New Black by Rebecca Campbell.
00:32:43
Do you know this book?
00:32:44
No, no, oh gosh, light is the New Black.
00:32:49
This book is magical.
00:32:51
Yes please do.
00:32:52
And it was just so perfect for me in this confused but so
00:33:02
intrigued and nervous and knowing I had a bigger purpose
00:33:07
time in my life, and it just said all the things that I need
00:33:10
to hear.
00:33:10
I swear she wrote this book for me.
00:33:13
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, and so yeah, then how did it unfold?
00:33:20
You quit.
00:33:21
You were like, right, that's it , I'm going to quit my job.
00:33:24
Did you know what you were going to do next?
00:33:27
Speaker 2: Well, somewhere in between there I actually I also
00:33:30
opened another business right, so I kind of had this idea of
00:33:34
stepping stones.
00:33:35
So, when I was starting to really, really really know and
00:33:40
trust that I couldn't be in the school board anymore, my husband
00:33:43
at the same time actually wanted to go back into
00:33:46
entrepreneurship, but he knew that he didn't have the
00:33:48
capability to actually like create a business from the
00:33:51
ground up, and so I took that on and in my, I guess, life plan
00:33:57
it was like, okay, let me start this business and, as it starts
00:34:00
to kind of take off, I can lean more into it and leave my
00:34:04
corporate job and also see what else is there for me.
00:34:07
But so I did that in 2018, 2019 .
00:34:12
I also wanted to support myself in leaving the school board,
00:34:16
and so I also became a travel advisor.
00:34:19
So I had a full-time job also.
00:34:23
I'm the CEO of a construction corporation and I'm also a
00:34:28
travel advisor.
00:34:29
You're still doing that as well .
00:34:33
I am still doing that right now .
00:34:36
Yes, yes.
00:34:39
So that, all being said, I was able to comfortably lose my job
00:34:43
because I had two businesses still in the works, and then so
00:34:48
as I started to just want to just lean more on my social
00:34:52
media for my travel business, I just started to share my
00:34:57
knowledge and my experience and my love for spirituality and
00:35:00
just supporting women, and it was there that I kind of started
00:35:04
to put my word out right, because it was like, yes, I sell
00:35:07
travel and stuff, but this is me, this is who's selling it to
00:35:10
you and this is how I live, this is who I am, and I like the
00:35:17
fact that a lot of my clients are wonderful clients just
00:35:22
because it's like we kind of have a friendship too, because
00:35:25
they knew who I was in my social media.
00:35:28
But I really started to love that just sharing my message and
00:35:32
being who I am without selling, and so that's kind of how I
00:35:38
just kind of went more into the spiritual side of things and
00:35:43
that's it.
00:35:43
It just became the way that I serve, because that's really
00:35:47
where I feel in my heart is my purpose.
00:35:52
Speaker 1: How was it received by your family and the people
00:35:57
around you?
00:35:58
Speaker 2: Did you get these?
00:35:59
Speaker 1: people going, always knew it.
00:36:04
Speaker 2: Or did you have?
00:36:05
Speaker 1: like have you lost your mind?
00:36:08
Speaker 2: Oh, nadine, all the things, all the things.
00:36:11
And maybe you know this, right, maybe you do, maybe you don't,
00:36:14
but all of the things.
00:36:16
My friends who I would have the deep conversations with were
00:36:21
like, oh gosh, yes, of course, right, of course this is what
00:36:25
you're doing now.
00:36:26
And some of them like, for example, the ones who are kind
00:36:31
of like the hockey and baseball and dance families like really,
00:36:35
let me just sit back and watch, right, and it's funny because my
00:36:40
family, my background, is Filipino and I find that in my
00:36:51
culture we're very religious, focused the Catholicism.
00:36:56
There's also Christianity and there actually are some Filipino
00:36:59
Muslims as well.
00:37:00
But I was raised Catholic and I actually haven't told my family
00:37:11
this side of me.
00:37:13
Ah, you haven't, yeah, I haven't.
00:37:17
I talk about spiritual things with my mom because she's very
00:37:23
much in tune with, hmm, like she sees things.
00:37:31
Even as a kid, she would see things right.
00:37:34
And so for me to say that this is what I do now, she'd be like
00:37:41
you can't make money doing that, you can't live like that, get a
00:37:44
real job right.
00:37:46
But and so, because I don't want to hear the judgment and
00:37:51
the expectations, I don't want to quote unquote worry my mom
00:37:55
with you know you don't have a quote, unquote real job.
00:38:01
So I'm kind of sparing my mom the worry and I have two
00:38:07
brothers and they just they wouldn't be able to process it.
00:38:14
They're so not about spirituality, they're so.
00:38:18
They're so much about you only get what you work for and you
00:38:23
have to work hard in life.
00:38:24
They're still very much in that mentality and I respect that
00:38:28
and I'm not.
00:38:28
I don't like to push anything as much as them as spiritual,
00:38:33
spiritual, practical spirituality, Husser, I know
00:38:36
when it's not being received and so I won't put that out to
00:38:39
someone who doesn't want to hear it, and so so that's where I'm
00:38:44
at.
00:38:44
I do have one cousin who follows my page and she'll, you know,
00:38:48
she'll kind of send me messages, and I love this and I love that
00:38:50
, and and so I love the support that I am receiving from the
00:38:54
ones that do see the change and are so excited for me.
00:39:00
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's a tough one, isn't it?
00:39:04
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's like the?
00:39:05
Speaker 1: next step in your evolution will be like fully
00:39:10
embracing it family and all.
00:39:14
Speaker 2: It's not an issue of me embracing it.
00:39:16
I am fully embracing it.
00:39:17
I don't know if I know that my brothers wouldn't embrace it and
00:39:24
you couldn't even.
00:39:25
You couldn't even try and convince them.
00:39:29
Speaker 1: But would they be put off you?
00:39:34
Speaker 2: Maybe because you know what To with my yes, and it
00:39:41
does.
00:39:41
It does scare some people.
00:39:42
I don't think it would scare them.
00:39:45
They would just be like, no, what's real is real and what's
00:39:47
not is not.
00:39:47
What's here is here, what's not here is not real.
00:39:49
And to me I don't.
00:39:53
Again, I don't wanna push any concepts on someone who is not
00:40:00
willing to see it, because if I feel very much like, if that's
00:40:05
how you wanna live, that's your fault.
00:40:07
But it's really fun up here.
00:40:09
It's really fun up here.
00:40:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
00:40:17
Because when you're having this great experience, you do wanna
00:40:24
tell other people about it Absolutely.
00:40:26
But you can feel the resistance and I have, like when I was
00:40:31
working a little while ago, I was I got into using essential
00:40:35
oils.
00:40:35
Right, we were going low-tox, got into using essential oils
00:40:39
and we were having some.
00:40:40
Really, you know, we were using them for colds and hay fever
00:40:43
and aches and pains and like loving them, and I was like
00:40:48
everyone's gonna want this.
00:40:49
And I was telling people about it and they're like she is weird
00:40:55
.
00:40:55
And I'm like, right, okay, people just don't.
00:41:03
I was really astounded.
00:41:06
This is just like some lemon oil, you know, a bit of pepper
00:41:10
to make it feel good, right, right, like they are not gonna
00:41:14
be down with, like tarot cards.
00:41:17
Speaker 2: It's true, I actually have a good friend.
00:41:19
Yeah, I have a good friend and she's like Taro.
00:41:22
No, no, no, I don't do tarot, I don't wanna hear it.
00:41:24
Don't bring it anywhere near me .
00:41:25
I'm like, okay, cool, that's fine, that's you, I respect it.
00:41:32
Speaker 1: Have you tapped into like a particular modality
00:41:39
within your spirituality that you now use with your clients,
00:41:43
like do you have like intuitive knowing?
00:41:48
Do you use the tarot specifically Like is there any
00:41:53
modality that you prefer?
00:41:55
Speaker 2: Hmm, I think the and I've been told this especially
00:42:01
by other spiritual mentors of mine they say Carol, because
00:42:07
sometimes I'm like what do I?
00:42:08
I wanna give them a thing, I wanna claim that I do this, I
00:42:12
wanna this like.
00:42:13
Should I do that?
00:42:14
There's one common message into like Carol, you are the magic
00:42:20
Sure.
00:42:20
There's nothing that you need to learn, there's nothing that
00:42:26
you need to offer other than yourself and your wisdom,
00:42:30
because your intuition is something that can't be taught
00:42:33
to you.
00:42:34
It's already within you.
00:42:36
You just have to believe, you have to trust and, of course,
00:42:42
like I mean, it does make sense what I have to offer, that comes
00:42:46
from whatever I channel, which I've been told comes from the
00:42:51
sixth dimension.
00:42:52
Oh, I'm not going to learn it somewhere else, no Other than
00:42:56
there.
00:42:56
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:00
Speaker 1: Oh, cool, all right, so.
00:43:02
So nothing in particular.
00:43:05
Do you have anything personal favorites, though?
00:43:07
Do you like using tarot, or do you go with this person?
00:43:11
I feel like I wanna draw a card , or is it?
00:43:14
Yes, sometimes I do.
00:43:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do, and sometimes even for myself, it's
00:43:19
like because it's like talking to your bestie, right, because
00:43:22
they are your guides, are really truly your best friend, like
00:43:25
really really looking out for you, and so sometimes it's my
00:43:29
way of communicating with them in a tangible way.
00:43:32
Sure, right, yeah, and I actually I just did a tarot
00:43:36
reading with a client today and wow, did those messages ever
00:43:39
match up?
00:43:40
And then for them to get that visual you know of, wow, that's
00:43:46
exactly what Carol said, yeah, and then I'm like, I'm just
00:43:51
going to go to the client, definitely, yeah, yeah, okay.
00:43:55
Speaker 1: So before we sounds like someone's gonna try and
00:43:59
break into my room Might be a small child, I don't know.
00:44:02
I didn't lock the door, but they couldn't get in.
00:44:06
Let's talk briefly.
00:44:10
I wanna talk about your work and we are coming close to our
00:44:14
hour, but I would love to know what your take is on motherhood
00:44:22
and entrepreneurship, and I know you've talked about it in kind
00:44:26
of like fun terms, like because you're an action taker, the
00:44:31
hustle, because I feel like there's a, from my personal
00:44:37
perspective, there's a lot of.
00:44:39
There can be a lot of focus on do, do, do, do, do.
00:44:42
Oh, yes, especially for mothers .
00:44:47
How do we balance that motherhood entrepreneurship
00:44:51
without driving ourselves into the ground?
00:44:58
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:45:00
Great question, because it's definitely something that I wish
00:45:04
I had grasped sooner.
00:45:06
Okay, motherhood really is.
00:45:12
The most important part of motherhood, I find, is loving
00:45:18
your children unconditionally.
00:45:19
I find that you start with expectations because, especially
00:45:27
in the era that we grew up, parents had expectations.
00:45:31
It was like it's in my culture my goodness Right, doctor,
00:45:36
lawyer, engineer, dentist it's best if you did something like
00:45:40
that and I guess if you settled for something other, it's your
00:45:43
mother kind of full-time job, then you're doing okay.
00:45:46
But to be able to just love your children, teach them
00:45:54
happiness, teach them respect.
00:45:56
They learn a lot from school too.
00:45:59
Don't have expectations of them that are so harsh that they
00:46:04
feel like they're absolute failures if they don't do what
00:46:07
you expect them to do and that they have to prove themselves
00:46:12
for the rest of their life because they're doing okay.
00:46:14
But you had this expectation of them.
00:46:16
I find that is an important message that I had received.
00:46:22
I remember from one of my colleagues when I was in the
00:46:26
school system early on in my years there, and I remember that
00:46:30
I was stressing a bit that my son's grades weren't higher than
00:46:36
what they were.
00:46:36
They were kind of mediocre and I'm like I used to kind of
00:46:41
homeschool them to prep them before they went to school.
00:46:43
And he is so smart, his thoughts, and he has such a
00:46:51
wonderful emotional system, and why can't he just?
00:46:57
I remember my colleague saying but why don't you just let him
00:47:02
be, it's okay if he doesn't have straight A's, it's okay.
00:47:06
I thought to myself oh my God, it is okay.
00:47:11
He doesn't need to have straight A's to be a successful,
00:47:15
happy, respectful human being.
00:47:19
When it comes to motherhood, I feel like don't put too much
00:47:24
pressure on yourself and your children.
00:47:26
The thing that they need the absolute most is the love of
00:47:32
their parents, unconditional love, Zero expectations.
00:47:37
It's the fact that they're existing and that they are your
00:47:40
child is enough.
00:47:40
When they have that unconditional love, it's almost
00:47:46
like a guarantee that they'll go the right way, because they
00:47:51
want to, because you love them without expectation.
00:47:55
When you are raising balanced, happy human beings, it makes it
00:48:05
easier to do your entrepreneurial ventures because
00:48:13
you know that there's not so much to do, do, do at home,
00:48:17
because you know that your most important job is to love.
00:48:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, good answer.
00:48:25
It removes that sense of hustle , that energetic like I need to
00:48:39
do this, I need to do that, I need to do this, I need to do
00:48:41
that and I want to succeed.
00:48:42
All of those things that changes the energetics of how
00:48:51
you approach things, I guess.
00:48:53
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
00:48:54
Even mothers who have a business again meet no
00:49:00
expectations other than are you doing something in your business
00:49:04
, because it is hard to balance motherhood and entrepreneurship.
00:49:08
Understand that, yes, sometimes you're going to be working
00:49:12
really strange hours.
00:49:13
If you are fully present when you are spending the time with
00:49:19
your kids, that might mean that you are going to work on your
00:49:22
business at 11 o'clock at night or five o'clock in the morning,
00:49:28
and that's okay.
00:49:29
There is no right or wrong way to do business as long as you
00:49:32
are pouring into your business and in some way shape or form.
00:49:38
Speaker 1: Have to disagree with you on the 11 o'clock at night
00:49:40
thing.
00:49:40
I will never stay up to work.
00:49:45
You know what's funny Sometimes , those are my most creative
00:49:50
times.
00:49:51
Sometimes I feel like I'm more of a morning person.
00:49:56
Speaker 2: Are you yeah?
00:49:59
Speaker 1: I'm well and truly tucked up in bed by 11 o'clock.
00:50:02
Okay, so you've come to this point in your life.
00:50:11
You've started your business.
00:50:13
You're doing your other work as well, but you've started your
00:50:18
business helping other women, business women and entrepreneurs
00:50:23
, specifically mothers.
00:50:25
Speaker 2: No, I just I think women just in general.
00:50:28
It's just I thought that it was a business focus, but again
00:50:31
this is kind of like conditioning of people in
00:50:34
business telling me you should focus on business because you
00:50:36
are in business.
00:50:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
00:50:38
Speaker 2: Oh, my heart's telling me I don't need to niche
00:50:41
down like that.
00:50:42
Speaker 1: Yeah and this is kind of where my question was
00:50:45
heading is like how much of this , like the timing of it I've
00:50:53
been talking to some other guests about this.
00:50:56
Actually, you know this 2024 and you would have heard it as
00:50:59
well like there's some big shifts happening on the planet
00:51:04
energetically, like there's going to be big changes.
00:51:07
It's kind of like this, this, I don't know anticipation right,
00:51:15
how much of what you're doing and the timing of it do you
00:51:20
think is aligned because of that ?
00:51:23
And like when you're working with women, specifically, what
00:51:28
do you think your role is like?
00:51:31
That's kind of I'm being a bit loose and not really super
00:51:36
specific, but I think you're getting the idea of what I'm
00:51:39
going.
00:51:40
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely and it is all divine perfection.
00:51:44
I'm seeing that it's all divine perfection where I am in my
00:51:48
life, how old my children are being so much more aware now,
00:51:55
releasing a lot of the you know old paradigm, business templates
00:52:03
, realizing for my own self I just have to be, I don't have to
00:52:08
do anymore, I don't have to hustle anymore.
00:52:10
It worked for me when I did do it, especially with construction
00:52:15
, because that's so far from spiritual.
00:52:17
But I always get channeled messages supporting women and
00:52:29
understanding how much suffering women are doing silently, how
00:52:34
much women are holding in their room unknowingly, holding so
00:52:40
much responsibility, trauma, just shoving down important,
00:52:51
important introspection for the sake of hustling themselves to
00:52:58
exhaustion and burnout.
00:52:59
It needs to stop because we've tried leaving the world in men's
00:53:04
hands.
00:53:04
It's not working out, it's not working.
00:53:08
So we really need the divine feminine to step up and soften
00:53:13
the chaos and even not to say that men aren't important in
00:53:18
this world.
00:53:19
We need our men, but we need our men to also kind of pull
00:53:28
from their feminine energy, because every man has it as
00:53:31
masculine as some of them can be there is feminine energy in
00:53:34
there and pull from that source of okay, but wait, they also
00:53:39
need to start taking care of themselves.
00:53:40
They also men especially need to start facing their traumas
00:53:45
and healing their traumas and their conditioning of what a
00:53:49
quote unquote real man is.
00:53:50
The divine feminine just needs to be in a spotlight now because
00:53:56
that energy especially after what happened in 2020, we all
00:53:59
need that love and kindness and just that compassion for each
00:54:05
other.
00:54:06
Social media is turning into the wild wild West, especially
00:54:10
on TikTok.
00:54:11
My goodness, like take cover.
00:54:13
We just need to love.
00:54:16
It sounds like some hippie stuff, but this is real.
00:54:20
We really just need to just love each other, to have
00:54:25
compassion, because it's so important.
00:54:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing.
00:54:30
So to finish like, what's, how are you doing this?
00:54:38
You're doing your men's coffee and coaching.
00:54:41
You're also doing retreats.
00:54:42
What's your passion?
00:54:46
What does the future hold for you on your journey to
00:54:51
supporting women to find their inner truth?
00:54:55
Speaker 2: I guess Well, I'll definitely keep showing up on
00:55:00
social media, for sure, and I really feel guided to do more
00:55:06
speaking.
00:55:07
I will kind of I'll see where, literally where that takes me,
00:55:15
but I am very excited and I know it's definitely in the cards
00:55:19
for me, and even my spiritual mentors, who kind of guide me
00:55:25
through this journey, have always said that I see stage, I
00:55:28
see a microphone.
00:55:29
Do you sing?
00:55:29
I'm like karaoke in my family room, but I think I'll be
00:55:37
invited to more stages and share my message that way.
00:55:41
So you're very excited for what's to come.
00:55:45
Speaker 1: Okay, before we close , if we want to find you, where
00:55:51
do we go?
00:55:51
Is Instagram the best place to find you?
00:55:55
Yes, I love showing up on Instagram at carolsukie, you're
00:56:02
probably going to have to tune in to the show to find out about
00:56:05
that.
00:56:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Hungarian last name and I will be showing
00:56:10
up a little bit more on TikTok.
00:56:12
It's just so many avenues too.
00:56:15
Speaker 1: I've never like.
00:56:16
I had TikTok for about 24 hours and I was like I am wasting my
00:56:22
life here.
00:56:22
There's people riding each other like horses, yeah it's so
00:56:27
true, wild Wild West, oh yeah.
00:56:30
I was like I'm turning that thing off.
00:56:33
I've never been back on there, but my husband does it.
00:56:36
He watches it in secret.
00:56:39
Speaker 2: Of course.
00:56:41
Speaker 1: Well, wherever the microphone takes you, I wish you
00:56:43
the best of luck.
00:56:44
Thank you so much.
00:56:45
I know that the work you're doing is super important,
00:56:50
especially at this time, yeah, and I'm really grateful for you
00:56:54
taking the time to join us today .
00:56:58
Speaker 2: Thank you, nadine, it was a great conversation.
00:57:00
Thank you so much for having me .
00:57:01
Thank you, see you soon.
00:57:03
Speaker 1: Bye, okay.