Did you know that wearable technology could revolutionise your health?
Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Dr. Torkil Færø, a Norwegian GP whose personal experience has led him into an explorationof preventative medicine. Inspired by the premature death of his father, Dr. Færø shares the inspiring story of overcoming his health struggles and explains how his bestselling book, "The Pulse Cure," is empowering countless individuals to take control of their wellbeing through cutting-edge wearable devices.
Torkil makes it easy to understand the hidden impact of stress on modern diseases and teaches us how chronic stress can lead to serious illnesses like cancer, heart disease, and autoimmune disorders.
Dr. Færø illuminates how wearables can help manage everyday stressors such as poor sleep and alcohol consumption. Through personal stories, you'll hear how lifestyle choices directly affect heart rate variability (HRV) and overall health. We also explore how managing stress can boost productivity, performance, and longevity, making this episode a must-listen for anyone looking to optimise their health.
We also hear about the intricate relationship between late-night eating, recovery processes, and HRV, and why our bodies are conditioned to fast overnight.
Dr. Færø reviews the best wearable health devices like the Garmin watch and Oura Ring, and discusses the significance of age and gender on HRV.
He also addresses the benefits of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and its often misunderstood role in health. Finally, we take a step back to understand our bodies and the universe, emphasising a personalised approach to wellness.
This episode is packed with valuable insights that will leave you motivated to make meaningful lifestyle changes with the support of his simple-to-follow and easy-to-read book!
You can check out The Pulse Cure website.
Purchase The Pulse Cure book on Amazon
Speaker 1: Hello, it's Nadine here and I'm here with this
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week's episode of Life, health and the Universe, and this
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morning for me and late night for you, my guest.
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We're joined and I forgot to ask how to pronounce your name,
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but I'm going to go with Dr Torquil Farrow.
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I've got a really bad habit of forgetting to ask people how to
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pronounce their names.
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You're dialing in from Oslo, norway, so I'm going to do a
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quick intro and I do need to read my notes because we've got.
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There's a whole bunch of things that we could talk about based
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on your biography, so let's, let me just go over that and then
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we'll get stuck into our conversation.
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So, as well as being a GP, you've worked, or do work, as an
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emergency practitioner, and you have worked as well as a medic
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with Doctors Without Borders.
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You're a father of two, which is an important part of your
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biography.
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You're an award-winning photographer.
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You've traveled by bicycle, motorbike, kayak, boat and car
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through over 80 countries.
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You speak eight languages and, as if that wasn't all enough,
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you're also an author, and not just of one book, but two.
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But we're here to talk about one specific book today.
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It's a book called the Pulse Cure, which has been a Norwegian
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bestseller for over 65 weeks.
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I got that information a few weeks ago, so I'm assuming it's
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still going strong there and you're bringing it to the rest
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of the world.
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So thank you for joining us.
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This is going to be a great conversation.
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I'm really grateful for you being here with us today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, nadine, so nice to be talking to Australia
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
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Would you like to share anything else with us, or should
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we just get stuck straight in?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just get started.
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Yeah, yeah, okay cool.
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Speaker 1: So the pulse cure is about, um, our health.
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You're a gp and you've had um a lot of experience with thousands
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of patients coming in, especially with lifestyle
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related diseases, and in your book you actually even talk to
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us about your own experience, about your own health journey
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and some of the things that you've kind of discovered over
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the last few years that have really changed your health.
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And one of the one of the things and the thing that the book
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about is using a wearable device to help track what's going on
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in your body internally that we might not necessarily see when
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we're, you know, just getting about our daily lives and the
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impact that certain lifestyle practices or behaviors can have
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on our internal health.
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So that's what we're here to talk about today.
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I've got a couple of like big overarching things that I would
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love to ask you about first, and then we'll get into some more
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detail.
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But let's talk.
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I just want to talk about preventative and personal
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medicine, because that's one of the things that you are
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passionate about and the reason that you've written this book.
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So can you give us a little bit of insight into, as a general
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practitioner, as a doctor, what has changed for you in your
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career that's made you want to look more at preventative health
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and not sort of, like you know, treating illness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because, as a doctor, you know, we are trained
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in medical school to treat illness, to identify and
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diagnose and treat illness with pills or procedures.
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The strategy is waiting until you get sick and then treating
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you.
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You know, and that was basically all I knew, and until
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10, 12 years ago my father died.
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He was 73, so a little bit earlier and such early that I
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thought I don't want to die at 73.
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You know, I want to live a long life, I want to have lots of
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experiences, I want to go back to Australia one more time and
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many other things.
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And then I started checking out what can I do to live longer
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and healthier?
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What can I do to live longer and healthier?
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And then I saw that there was so much information now that we
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did not get, as medical students and doctors, you know, 15, 20
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years ago.
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So then I started caring about preventative healthcare, mostly
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for my own sake, you know, just because I wanted to live longer
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and stay healthy.
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And then I also started to write books.
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Uh, I was not a writer, I hadn't written anything.
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Uh, so, um, it has been an interesting journey in that
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aspect as well.
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Um, yeah, and I I did all the mistakes in my book.
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You know, I weighed uh, 40, 20 kilos overweight.
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I didn't train, I didn't care so much about nutrition or sleep
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, or I used to drink a couple of glasses of wine every day.
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So I did all the mistakes.
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So if I had continued on that journey, I would have ended up
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like the patients that gives me my livelihood.
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So I changed my lifestyle around more or less totally, and
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that is also part of what I'm writing about in the book.
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And so now, of course, you know now all you hear on health
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podcasts and all the books, everything that is written now
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in popular science is just about what I'm talking about in the
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book.
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You know how to eat right, how to exercise right, you know.
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And microbiome, epigenetics, all that you also know
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everything about.
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So, um, so the health field is turned around completely.
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Uh, that giving and wearables is a way to give the power, to
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take the power away from the doctors and the healthcare
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system and put it into your own hands.
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Uh, to avoid becoming a patient you know to, to stay healthy,
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because the pulse, the heart rate, can tell us so much about
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our inner state, much more than we could even hope for as
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doctors and people, and that it's available, you know, with
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the wearables, with the garmin watches or aura rings or samsung
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watches and every everything now on the market, available,
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you know, at a reasonable price, um, easy to understand for
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everyone.
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So I kind of made it in the book, the Postcard.
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I kind of made the combination between what is the smartest
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strategies, lifestyle strategies , and how can you use the
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wearables to track them, because the good thing is that the
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smart things to do will show in the heart rate.
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And still, this is the only book in the world really, to my
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knowledge and to my publisher's knowledge, about this
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combination.
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Speaker 1: Great, Amazing.
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It's really refreshing when I was reading up on it in your
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book and your biography.
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Just yeah, it's really refreshing to have someone as a
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general practitioner who is actually advocating for this
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sort of stuff.
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And before we get stuck into more of the detail on how this
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all works, what, how?
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Is it something that a lot of GPs, a lot of doctors, are
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starting to take into consideration in their practices
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?
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Or do you think this is a real slow burn kind of thing?
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Like, are you hoping to have an influence over?
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Yeah, at least in Norway it has .
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least in Norway it has had a big
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influence.
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It has been a bestseller for 70 weeks and it's changed the way a
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lot of doctors, a lot of nurses , physiotherapists,
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psychologists look at the preventative health care.
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So it has really and it's become kind of a household
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concept in Norway, you know, because of the success of the
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book.
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You know it was completely unknown Earlier, it was used
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more or less only for people exercising.
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You know it was completely unknown it earlier.
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It was used more or less, uh, only for people exercising.
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You know, people running marathons or or.
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But now I think you would I don't know where you would have
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lived.
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You know, if you hadn't understood the last year that
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it's possible to use these smart watches to keep you healthy,
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you know, then you would be paying very little attention to
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what has happened.
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Last year I've been all over media and it's been translated
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into English, you know, and also seven other languages.
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So in Denmark, sweden, italy, holland, estonia, for some
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reason, and new countries keep coming on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah great.
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Speaker 2: So I hope to change that.
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As I said, I hope to change the health care into people taking
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charge of their own health, you know, and not just this stupid
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way of medicine that is waiting until you get really sick and
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then treating you with medicine that is not really curing you,
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it's just keeping you the symptoms a bit, you know, away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow.
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Did you ever expect this when you wrote the book, or was this
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the the goal like to?
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Speaker 2: um, I knew that, I knew that the content,
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information could have this impact.
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Uh, of course, there's a lot of things that have to be at the
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right time at the right place for it to happen, um, especially
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for, like, an unknown concept like this.
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Um, so, but it has been massive .
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You know the last year, so it's been like being in a tornado.
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Speaker 1: Because I'm not used to it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just a normal doctor, you know, I'm
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used to talk to one patient at a time, you know, not to be on
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direct TV and radio, and I've probably been on more than 100
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podcasts, you know, in the last year and a half.
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So, of course, now I'm used to it.
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Now it's like, yeah, what I do every day, yeah, it's brilliant,
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it's really good, great.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you had to go through your own
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health journey to like, even though you're working in the
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field of medicine, that you had to go through your health
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journey to kind of come to this place, and I have a background
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as a personal trainer and I'm the same as well.
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Actually, um, you know, there were some lifestyle things going
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on there, especially the alcohol.
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For me that you know I was doing all of the right things,
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ticking many of the boxes, but not the alcohol box, and having
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a wearable has definitely, well definitely, showed up some of
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the negative impacts that alcohol can have, especially on
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sleep.
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I haven't had a drink for two and a half years now.
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Yeah, and you can definitely tell the difference.
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Um, yeah, uh, okay so let's just talk about, let's just talk
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about hrv, because this is actually one thing and I I have
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an aura ring.
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So you talk about four different devices in your book
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and I think you've tried them all and you might try them.
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Are you using them all all the time?
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Speaker 2: yeah, right now I have the aura ring and the
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garment wash and the whoop band and, uh, I even have a cgm.
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Oh cool, I don't.
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I don't wear it all the time, but I wear it, uh, at times,
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just to to remind myself of what , what happens.
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You know if you need this or that, and so I use it, maybe two
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months a year or something like that yeah, it's also very, very
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useful, yeah yes, definitely.
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Speaker 1: It's one of those things I haven't done yet, but
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I'm definitely keen to do that.
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So you've used these four different devices and, as I said
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, I have an Oura Ring, which is a wearable device that checks
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your energy levels and sleep.
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I use it mostly for sleep now, but it has a reading for
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readiness.
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So you wake up in the morning and you have a reading for
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readiness and it's based on your hrv and I know that stands for
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heart rate variability.
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But I haven't and this is kind of what your book is all about
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right and understanding heart rate variability.
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But although my phone kind of shows me the reading, I still
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don't quite grasp what hrV is and what it means.
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So could you talk us through that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the heart rate variability is a measure of the
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state in your autonomic nervous system.
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It's also the metric on the state of your immune system and
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of your overall physiology, really, but mainly it's a number
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for your autonomic nervous system, the parasympathetic,
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restful state and the stressful sympathetic state.
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You know, and we are built as humans, like all other animals,
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to exist, you know, with the possibility to use our forces in
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the sympathetic state, you know , to fight and flee and to
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freeze, you know, and also to hunt and, you know, have fun, um
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so uh, and to stress.
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And then we are also supposed to relax and recover from the
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stress.
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And the way that the heart rate variability can show this is
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that when we are in the relaxed state and we breathe in, the
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heart rate will go up a little bit, and then when we breathe
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out and there's less oxygen in the lungs, the heart rate will
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go down a little bit and and these devices can detect this
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difference and if we are in the stress state, then the heart
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rate will will beat very steadily, like a clock, you know
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, very steadily.
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And in this way the devices can keep track of our heart rate
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day and night and to give us an answer of what kind of stress
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balance do we have, you know, are we too much in the
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sympathetic stress mode and enough time in the
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parasympathetic, restful mode to keep a sustainable balance over
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time?
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Of course, we can tax ourselves quite hard for a week or two,
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or three or four maybe.
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Once it gets more than two months, three months, you become
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in the risk of contracting autoimmune diseases, diseases of
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low-grade, chronic inflammation that are probably 80% of the
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diseases that we treat.
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That's including cancer, heart disease, stroke, metabolic
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syndrome, all of the things that we see daily as doctors, and
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also fatigue situations, burnout , migraines, brain fog, all all
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these diseases, the modern day diseases.
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So it's a really, really useful tool.
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I would say.
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I may be biased, of course, but you know, like antibiotics and
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vaccines are good for infectious diseases you know diseases of
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the old times then this is a way , one of the solutions, to keep
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the new diseases away, to keep track of our stress balance, so
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that we can help our body and immune system to recover and
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work optimally right.
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Speaker 1: so, basically, um, we you're saying that stress is
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the cause of all diseases.
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So stress, negative stress on our bodies, when we don't have
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time to recover, challenges our immune system, and then our
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immune system when that's low, when that's um, not working at
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its optimum, can cause all types of lifestyle related disease.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so its immune system is compromised.
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It is kind of the effect that it will not do its job, you know
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, against cancer, against everything else, and it can also
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turn against you and to, to cause the autoimmune diseases.
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Okay, um, and when I talk about stress is stress in a broad
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sense.
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So it can be both mental stress , you know, like everybody's
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used to think about stress, but it can also be like alcohol.
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It can be the altitude, it can be the PMS, the period, it can
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be ultra-processed food, sleep it can be poor sleep, so many
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things.
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It can be that you're eating from the breakfast until late at
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night.
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Yeah, so there's so many hidden sources of stress.
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That becomes visible with the wearables Then you see that wow,
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if you're eating late at night some crisps or chips or candy,
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suddenly you see that there's a price to pay for it.
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You know, physiologically also.
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So then you get to keep track of the stressors and then you
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can mitigate the stress and then avoid getting into these.
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Because the good thing is it's not only for health and
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longevity that this is good.
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It's also good for productivity , performance and well-being.
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You know.
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So the the smart things to do will give you all those four
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things better productivity, better well-being, better health
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and and a bigger chance of living longer.
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And it's the same strategies for everything of this yeah, so,
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um, okay, I'm just clarifying now.
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Speaker 1: So if we're stressed, we'll see a regular heartbeat.
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However, whatever beats per minute it is, it's, it's just
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like a consistent, but with the heart rate variability.
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When we're in that parasympathetic nervous system,
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our rest, rest and digest, digest, um, we'll see
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fluctuations in the time.
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Before and after the, the heartbeat like a larger
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variation between heartbeats.
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Speaker 2: So so, if you, you know, would have measured.
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Uh, you know, now it's two and a half years ago since you drank
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alcohol, um, and that is the biggest stressor according to
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that that keeps track of what their users do.
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Alcohol is the biggest stressor according to whoop that that
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keeps track of what their users do.
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Alcohol is the biggest stressor of all.
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So then, if you had measured it, you know, with your ring, you
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know, four years ago, you would have seen that your hrv would be
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low as a measure that you are stressed.
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Your body is using too much forces on dealing with alcohol,
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or really acetaldehyde, which is what alcohol is converted to in
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the body.
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That is very toxic and the liver has to work hard to
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detoxify this.
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And now that you don't drink alcohol, you will see that your
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heart rate variability is better , so that your body is more able
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to cope with disease and your immune system is working more
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smoothly.
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So that is one way that you can see that your body and
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physiology is working better.
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Speaker 1: In your own personal experience.
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How long have you been wearing all of your things Experimenting
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?
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Probably five years, Five years .
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Speaker 2: I would say five years yeah, from 2019.
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Speaker 1: So you've talked about how different things can
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affect our HRV, our heart rate variability, hrv, heart rate
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variability, their sleep, stress , movement and exercise.
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Active rest, have food and having a big eating window can
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affect it Alcohol, nicotine.
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You also mentioned in the book illness and disease and weight
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control.
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In own personal, personal experience, what um like?
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Where did you start out?
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I know in your, your book you mentioned some of these things
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about what some of your behaviors were without, and
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you've mentioned that you were having a couple of glass of wine
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did.
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You was there some way you started and and that you kind of
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went oh, that was a big shift, I didn't realize.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was alcohol.
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Speaker 1: And I quit that.
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Before I started using the wearables, I was working.
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Speaker 2: At the time I was working 24-7 in a quite intense
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work.
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So after seven days working, you know day and night, you know
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sleeping a lot at night but often getting woken up and
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having to work at night also and then when I had a day off, I
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used to take a bottle of wine, relax, maybe, go for a walk,
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have a bottle of wine, and then I would have one more week of
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working that and then I would have one more week of working.
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Uh, and then I saw that I was much more tired after a day off
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with a bottle of wine than seven days and nights working.
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And then I understood that this , this is not right.
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You know, this is I can't continue like this.
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And that was probably the first time that I had been seven days
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without alcohol, because I used to used to think it was even
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recommended you know it was like doctor's orders that two
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glasses of wine every day was good for you.
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You know, I mean, it was a widespread notion and I was.
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I was, of course, happy with that and then I quit alcohol,
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lost weight just because of that and had more energy and so on.
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And then I started educating myself then on the different
00:22:53
strategies.
00:22:53
So I'm finding out about sleep, about nutrition.
00:22:57
So it's been a gradual journey that has taken me, yeah, almost
00:23:01
10 years.
00:23:01
I still discover things.
00:23:03
You very, very often new things and exercising more.
00:23:09
So it's been a um, yeah on many different um strategies.
00:23:15
Uh, done a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and then
00:23:21
improving my state, I think, getting in a better shape.
00:23:24
And then improving my state, I think, getting in a better shape
00:23:26
.
00:23:26
One of the things we didn't mention is also that it's a big
00:23:28
stressor is just being in a poor fitness level.
00:23:30
If your VO2 max is poor, you know you're just walking here
00:23:37
and there and going from couch to sofa to car seat, you know,
00:23:39
and then not really moving.
00:23:40
And if you have a VO2 max, you know, maybe, know, maybe, yeah,
00:23:45
below 30, then everything will be stressful.
00:23:48
Your body has to work at the you know, at the very hard for
00:23:53
everyday things.
00:23:54
So once you get to, you know, start running or doing anything
00:24:00
of activity and then it will be less stress on your body because
00:24:04
you have more power.
00:24:06
So so many people and I see that as a doctor, many people
00:24:10
are in the same at the same time under-dimensioned, I would say
00:24:14
and?
00:24:15
And overstressed, you know, overloaded.
00:24:17
So so you can.
00:24:19
You can balance your stress either by becoming stronger,
00:24:23
more fit you, you know and reducing the stressors, you know
00:24:26
.
00:24:26
So there's two ways to get the balance.
00:24:28
It's not only reducing the stressors, but also making
00:24:31
yourself stronger and more fit.
00:24:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, more resilient, I guess, yeah, yeah, what, uh,
00:24:43
oh, what would you say?
00:24:44
Some of the so there's so, like when we're actually exercising,
00:24:49
that's a stressor, right.
00:24:51
And there are some other things that you do, um, like, you talk
00:24:56
about intermittent fasting or closing your eating window, time
00:24:59
restricted eating and also cold showers, um, so, a bit of cold
00:25:03
therapy.
00:25:04
Speaker 2: So they're all stressors, but there's um, it's
00:25:08
hormetic stress, right, it's a different type of stress so
00:25:12
could you talk us through how that differs, like what happens
00:25:16
to our hrv during those activities and what happens like
00:25:23
those activities and what happens, like as a result of
00:25:29
practicing those things, yeah, so, like for exercise, um, then,
00:25:32
as you're exercising, of course , then you're putting a load on
00:25:35
your system, but it's also a signal to your cells that works
00:25:40
the way that, okay, this organism obviously needs more
00:25:44
power.
00:25:44
Uh, you know, it is using its muscles, it is running, um, and
00:25:50
then you kind of break yourselves down a bit and then
00:25:54
it builds itself stronger.
00:25:55
If you exercise too much, of course, that is also possible to
00:26:14
exercise too much and just break down your body and before
00:26:17
you have recuperated, you break it even further down.
00:26:20
So that is not good either.
00:26:22
A lot of people do that.
00:26:24
Um, and also with the other kind of stressors, if you go into
00:26:28
the sauna or into the cold water .
00:26:31
It's a temporary stressor of the body, but it builds the
00:26:35
physiology stronger, more so into temperature changes.
00:26:39
We are, of course, created to be creatures being outside, you
00:26:44
know, with the heat and the cold at night throughout the year.
00:26:50
So we are built to have a flexibility in our activities,
00:26:56
and one of the problems now in our modern lifestyle is that
00:27:00
we're not flexible.
00:27:00
We're living at room temperature, you know, all the
00:27:03
time time.
00:27:04
We are not moving enough.
00:27:05
We, we are living in many ways almost opposite from what we are
00:27:11
constructed to live, you know, and and that will have a price.
00:27:15
When we don't challenge our bodies, we kind of lose the
00:27:19
flexibility in our physiology and we get sicker for it.
00:27:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the same would go for intermittent
00:27:27
fasting or time-restricted eating.
00:27:29
Speaker 2: Just closing the window yeah, we are not made to
00:27:33
eat.
00:27:33
You know, from from when we get up until we go to bed, like
00:27:37
many of us used to to be taught.
00:27:41
You know that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
00:27:43
You know, of course, it's Kellogg's.
00:27:44
You know slogan.
00:27:44
You know that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
00:27:45
You know, of course, it's kellogg's.
00:27:46
You know slogan.
00:27:47
You know they wanted to sell cereals.
00:27:48
Um, so a lot of people think that we should eat.
00:27:53
You know, throughout the day.
00:27:54
You know they have like five meals and so on.
00:27:56
So, um, and what it becomes visible on the watches, you know
00:28:01
, particularly the garmin watches.
00:28:03
I must say that to, to pinpoint your, to your stress levels
00:28:07
throughout the day and night, then you need a Garmin watch, um
00:28:11
, more than an aura ring and so on um, and then you can see that
00:28:16
um, when you are fasting, for example in the morning and you
00:28:18
don't see, you skip breakfast and you start eating to lunch,
00:28:21
you will see that your nervous system is is calm until you
00:28:25
start eating again.
00:28:26
So one of the big surprises for so many people is the amount of
00:28:29
stress food can put on your system, particularly ultra
00:28:34
processed food or some parts of it not all of it, but some parts
00:28:38
of ultra processed food will give you a lot of stress.
00:28:41
If you have a food intolerance, like for gluten or lactose and
00:28:47
such things or many other things , then it will also stress your,
00:28:50
your body and and you will see it in the heart rate.
00:28:53
So many people have actually found out through the heart
00:28:56
rates that they have some food intolerance and then they have
00:28:59
taken blood tests and seen that, okay, there was several things
00:29:02
that they could not tolerate.
00:29:05
And then they, you know, take it out to their meals and then
00:29:14
they feel better, you know, than they have done for like 20
00:29:16
years or so.
00:29:20
Speaker 1: So the heart can tell us so much.
00:29:21
Yeah, let's next talk about the different devices and the ones
00:29:29
that you recommend.
00:29:30
So, um, I wear an aura ring and I find that um, like it tells
00:29:32
you your readiness and it tells you your sleep score, so that
00:29:36
kind of gives you a good indicator of what your HRV is
00:29:39
and that sort of thing.
00:29:40
But definitely if I eat too close to bedtime, which can
00:29:44
sometimes be difficult because we go to bed quite early.
00:29:47
So you know, my ideal would be to probably finish eating at
00:29:53
least three hours before sleeping, and I can definitely
00:29:56
see a difference in my reading.
00:29:58
If I eat closer to bed, my heart rate will take longer to
00:30:02
drop, and so I guess how that converts in terms of it.
00:30:06
It's basically your body doesn't have as much time to
00:30:09
recover um, and that in its, in turn, can can affect heart rate
00:30:14
variability, um and the amount of um yeah, and, and our
00:30:20
digestive system is not made for for, uh, eating late at night.
00:30:25
Speaker 2: You know that's a time through the millions of
00:30:28
years that is just doing the repair work, yes, and not having
00:30:33
to do any more digestion.
00:30:35
You know it was darkness.
00:30:37
You know we probably stopped eating around that time.
00:30:43
You know six, seven, and not eating maybe until 12 o'clock
00:30:48
the next day because we didn't have any fridges or ways to
00:30:51
store food.
00:30:51
You know you have to get the food before you ate it.
00:30:55
Through the millions of years eating at the time that our, our
00:31:08
whole system does not really want to do that, to to digest
00:31:09
food.
00:31:09
You know from from all.
00:31:10
You know the pancreas, from the , the gallbladder, from from all
00:31:12
the, all, the, the whole system really.
00:31:14
So, um, the body, you know like , yeah, like the cells, our
00:31:22
intestines, is a very vulnerable system.
00:31:24
It's only one cell from the contents of your intestines
00:31:28
until the bloodstream.
00:31:29
So it's uh, and you have, between all the cells, you have
00:31:33
these tight junctions and if they are not working properly,
00:31:37
you get leaky gut and parts of your, your intestinal.
00:31:42
You know toxins and so bacterias get into the blood and
00:31:47
resulting in inflammation in your system.
00:31:52
So one of the best ways to ensure that you don't get this
00:31:57
problem is to have long enough time in the night fast, so that
00:32:02
your body can heal itself for a longer time there.
00:32:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so the devices let's get a review,
00:32:14
because you've got four different devices that you
00:32:19
recommend or that you've tried out and that you've yeah.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: In the book.
00:32:24
Of course there are.
00:32:25
There are many, there's lots.
00:32:27
Yeah, there are lots of different devices and, I think,
00:32:29
the accuracy of some yeah, it can probably be a bit different
00:32:34
the accuracy, but it's.
00:32:36
It's at least a lot better.
00:32:38
You know, probably even the worst one is so much better than
00:32:41
our own guesswork.
00:32:42
Yes, because we're not really.
00:32:44
We don't really have a sense for our inner state.
00:32:47
Throughout history, you know, in the millions of years, all
00:32:51
the threats came from the outside, from animals, from
00:32:54
enemies, from food that was contaminated and so on.
00:32:58
So you have very good eyesight and hearing and taste and smell
00:33:02
and touch and all this.
00:33:03
But our sense of our inner state was in the, in the
00:33:08
lifestyle.
00:33:09
It wasn't something you had to really have, a develop a sense
00:33:13
to, to feel if you were not hunting or gathering or fighting
00:33:18
, you were relaxing.
00:33:19
So no social media or stress Sounds quite nice, doesn't?
00:33:25
it.
00:33:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:29
So we don't have this sense.
00:33:32
So even the worst wearable is so much better than nothing, but
00:33:38
the best ones at this point by far is the Garmin watches.
00:33:41
Yeah, and that is because they show the values throughout the
00:33:45
day.
00:33:46
You know, yes, like when you have the Oura Ring, you get the
00:33:49
readiness and the sleep score in the morning, but it's a bit
00:33:52
like you have been to the store, you know, been doing a large
00:33:55
shopping, and you only get the total.
00:33:58
Speaker 1: Yes, you don't know what each item costs.
00:34:00
Speaker 2: You know.
00:34:01
You don't know why is it.
00:34:14
Why do I get this number?
00:34:14
You know, and then you have no clue.
00:34:15
Um, so you have the clue of eating late in the evening,
00:34:17
because you can see that, but you will not be able to see.
00:34:18
Maybe if there was a big stressor at 11 o'clock in the,
00:34:19
in the in the morning, you know, or yeah, and that the garmin
00:34:23
watch would be able to tell you.
00:34:25
Uh, if you have an apple watch, many people do have that then
00:34:29
there's an app called athletic, and that is quite good, um, and
00:34:33
now samsung is coming with their galaxy ring and their new
00:34:36
watches and so on.
00:34:37
So in this field, everything gets turned around every three
00:34:42
months or so.
00:34:43
So there's so much competition, and that is very good because,
00:34:47
um, we are used to that.
00:34:49
All the big money is in big pharma after you get sick, and
00:34:53
now there's a lot of money in big tech.
00:34:55
You know the before, and so to avoid you getting sick, so that
00:34:59
you know, you have to follow the money, and I'm very happy about
00:35:04
that now there's so much money in keeping you healthy and
00:35:07
providing with these devices.
00:35:09
Of course, they want to make money, but they make money on a
00:35:13
device that can keep you healthy .
00:35:14
So so that's good.
00:35:16
Speaker 1: So there's so much happening in this field yeah, um
00:35:19
, and do you find that people get stressed just wearing the
00:35:26
devices?
00:35:26
Are some people kind of like obsessed with it and it creates?
00:35:32
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be that much of a problem, because
00:35:35
usually when I hear this idea, that is people who are not
00:35:41
trying to use them.
00:35:42
I would guess that you are not stressed by using your aura, are
00:35:45
you?
00:35:46
Speaker 1: No.
00:35:47
Speaker 2: No, and usually because there's always.
00:35:50
If I have a lecture of 200 people, there's always somebody
00:35:54
asking that question and then I usually turn it back to the
00:35:57
audience because probably 80% in the audience you said are you
00:36:01
stressed?
00:36:01
No, no, they're not.
00:36:03
So I'm not sure why people think that if you have a watch
00:36:07
measuring your pulse, you you go check it.
00:36:09
Speaker 1: you know every other second you know you don't do
00:36:11
that, yeah I think a lot of them , like they track your steps,
00:36:15
like I've heard of people saying that when they've been trying
00:36:17
to like reach their 10 000 steps a day, um, they get, they can
00:36:22
get a little obsessed and that it can feel like a bit a
00:36:25
negative.
00:36:26
Um, you know obsession, but yeah, I don't not really that
00:36:32
bad, is it?
00:36:32
You don't?
00:36:34
Speaker 2: really need to have 10 000 steps every day.
00:36:37
You need to have some flexibility in it.
00:36:39
So if you have 5 000 one day and 10 000 other day and 15 000
00:36:42
the third day, you know you have 5 one day and 10 the
00:36:44
other day and 15 the third day.
00:36:46
You have to have some flexibility, but you have to at
00:36:51
least move more than probably 70% do that move too little, too
00:36:57
sedentary.
00:36:57
So it's a good thing, but I think that most people use their
00:37:05
watches just like you do with the speedometer in your car,
00:37:07
that you check it once in a while just to check that you are
00:37:10
, more or less, you know, within the speed limits or where you
00:37:13
want to be, so you don't stare at it all the time yeah so and
00:37:17
once you've got some metrics you can kind of get a bit of an
00:37:20
idea, a bit like with your glucose monitor, you, it's like
00:37:24
you do it.
00:37:24
Speaker 1: You can kind of just start doing it.
00:37:26
Every so often I don't wear my aura ring during the day as much
00:37:30
anymore.
00:37:31
I I generally wear it for night time.
00:37:33
Um, because I have an idea of like what you know, what my
00:37:38
daily activity is and and the practices that I need to do to
00:37:43
to you know good readings with my sleep, when you what are some
00:37:53
of the things.
00:37:53
So you had a study group, didn't you?
00:37:55
Speaker 2: A couple hundred people, yeah yeah, I've got a
00:37:58
couple hundred people reading my script.
00:38:01
You know, as we developed it and used the Garmin watches and,
00:38:06
you know, found out about their systems.
00:38:08
Because what is very clearly when you start using these
00:38:11
wearables is that we're all individuals.
00:38:13
We all react to many of the same things, of course, but in
00:38:17
varying degrees.
00:38:18
So this is a way to personalize your lifestyle.
00:38:23
So one person can tolerate alcohol better than another, for
00:38:27
example, and one has a better fitness level and can tolerate
00:38:32
stress better.
00:38:33
So this is a way to show how you respond to a certain
00:38:42
stressor, and that is very, very valuable.
00:38:45
So, but because what we're used to as doctors is to get an
00:38:49
average of what, uh, you know in the research, you know they ask
00:38:52
you know, for example, 1 000 people, how do you respond to
00:38:56
this in this medicine, or this, uh, this and this diet?
00:39:00
You know, and you get an average.
00:39:01
And then we, as doctors, use this average, uh, when we
00:39:05
discuss things, um and and make plans for treatment.
00:39:08
But, but what becomes obvious is that we're also different, um
00:39:13
, that this average means really nothing, uh, in many cases,
00:39:17
because you may not respond that like that at all.
00:39:19
So, for example, if you take antidepressants, then probably
00:39:26
the average will be a bit better , but some will be worse and
00:39:29
some will be a lot better, and the most important thing is how
00:39:34
you respond to it.
00:39:36
Speaker 1: And did everyone in the study have some aha moments,
00:39:42
some surprises about their?
00:39:44
Speaker 2: lifestyle and make changes.
00:39:46
Did you find a?
00:39:47
Speaker 1: positive like response in terms of people
00:39:51
maintaining change.
00:39:53
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely .
00:39:54
And some people, you know, take it off like you do at some
00:39:59
points and then they take it back up back again, you know so
00:40:03
they use it like that.
00:40:05
But a lot of people find out that it's much easier to have it
00:40:09
all the time.
00:40:10
Yeah, also because it's fun.
00:40:13
You know it's a gamification, you know you get the sleep score
00:40:16
, you get to learn about yourself, you know so it's a fun
00:40:20
way to get healthier, definitely so.
00:40:24
Most people and I haven't heard of anyone yet that has not been
00:40:29
surprised, you know, and there has been so many people, you
00:40:31
know, thinking that, oh, I can feel, I can feel it myself, you
00:40:35
know, I, I know how it is, and they do yoga, breathing
00:40:40
exercises, and I think I get surprised too.
00:40:42
You know so there's so many things that you wouldn't
00:40:46
exercises, and I get surprised too, you know so there's so many
00:40:48
things that you wouldn't know, that you find out, yeah, and I
00:40:52
like it's.
00:40:53
Speaker 1: It's quite cool really, isn't it?
00:40:55
Like how quickly our bodies can respond, like even if someone
00:40:59
doesn't make changes through all of the categories at once, like
00:41:03
all of the categories that you follow in the book at once, but
00:41:07
they might just fix their sleep or change their food slightly,
00:41:11
like their meal timings, and they'll feel it and they'll get
00:41:15
that feedback as well from the device, that positive
00:41:19
reinforcement that what they're doing is actually working.
00:41:21
But it's quite quick.
00:41:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's almost like overnight sometimes
00:41:27
right yeah, yeah, and this has been a real part of the book's
00:41:31
success that people feel it so fast, um, you know, one or two
00:41:36
weeks tracking and you immediately see that, okay, this
00:41:39
is working.
00:41:39
You know, and, uh, and it's a lot more easier than probably
00:41:44
maybe they would have thought.
00:41:45
So that has been, I think, a huge part of the success of the
00:41:50
book.
00:41:50
It's not the book itself, but the devices.
00:41:53
You know that they are so powerful, yeah, and combined
00:41:57
with the book, that people immediately realize that this is
00:42:01
very valuable and it's something completely new.
00:42:04
Yeah, I want to talk to you.
00:42:05
It's very interesting that this is very valuable and it's
00:42:06
something completely new.
00:42:07
So, yeah, I want to talk to you.
00:42:09
Speaker 1: It's very interesting yeah sorry, I'd like to talk to
00:42:12
you a bit about, like just the structure of the book, just to
00:42:18
get the listeners to sort of understand you know whether it's
00:42:22
, you know why they would find it um beneficial.
00:42:25
But before we do, I'm just curious about the, the
00:42:29
difference between um men and women's hrv, and also about
00:42:34
aging.
00:42:35
So I'm at the, I'm at that golden age, 50s, so you know
00:42:40
perimenopause, and I've definitely know my HRV and I
00:42:44
know you said it's in, it is individual.
00:42:46
My HRV balance isn't the same as my husband's he's a couple
00:42:53
years younger but also, you know , hormonally different um.
00:42:57
So how do those, how do the differences in male, female and
00:43:04
like age, how do they affect the HRV?
00:43:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, the heart rate variability will drop quite fast
00:43:15
from the years you are 20 until you are 40.
00:43:18
Okay, and then after that it will be quite flat.
00:43:22
There's not so much of a difference between men and women
00:43:26
.
00:43:26
Okay, so it's almost negligible , I would say.
00:43:31
So it's not so much anyway.
00:43:35
So it's more with age.
00:43:37
But it can be.
00:43:39
The perimenopause and menopause can be a big difference.
00:43:42
And once you get then the HRT, the hormone replacement therapy,
00:43:48
and you get, particularly you get, the bioidentical hormones,
00:43:54
that seems to be a lot better.
00:43:55
That will show in the HRV.
00:43:57
So many people, many women, then tell me that when they
00:44:03
change, you know, from synthetic to bioidentical hormones
00:44:08
hormones their hrv improves a lot and, um, we have a social
00:44:12
website called the pulsegearcom and they're by far the most most
00:44:17
eager group of people that's women, you know in the menopause
00:44:21
and perimenopause.
00:44:23
Um, so, uh, so there's a huge, you know it wasn't talked so
00:44:29
much about maybe 5-10 years ago and hormone replacement therapy
00:44:33
had this bad rap because of this hopeless study, you know, 15
00:44:39
years ago that people thought it would induce cancer and it's
00:44:44
just not true.
00:44:45
So there's too few women using HRT.
00:44:49
I think in the UK it's only 15% of women use it and really I
00:44:56
think all should use it.
00:45:01
Well, without going off track too much.
00:45:04
Speaker 1: I think that probably for a lot of of women, unless
00:45:09
they have, uh, you know, classic symptoms of perimenopause or
00:45:14
menopause, they probably, it probably isn't even recommended
00:45:18
to them as a as a but they.
00:45:21
Speaker 2: But they see now that there's so many symptoms that
00:45:24
like the classic symptoms, you know, with the hot flushes, and
00:45:27
so that is just a small part of it and what they recommend now.
00:45:32
And I've just been on a big conference in London, just last
00:45:35
week I had to speak about the pulse cure, but there were so
00:45:38
many of the speakers, the international experts on the
00:45:43
hormones, that said you should find out, you should just try it
00:45:47
.
00:45:47
You know that there's no, no need to not try it, you know,
00:45:52
for some time, and then then you will see what symptoms
00:45:55
disappear, and that may be symptoms that you wouldn't
00:45:59
necessarily have connected it.
00:46:00
You know, a lot of people think they're depressed, you know
00:46:04
they.
00:46:04
They start antidepressants, antidepressants and many other
00:46:08
medications and well, the problem really was the menopause
00:46:13
or perimenopause.
00:46:14
Yeah, so, um, so I think it's, uh, that might be a better way
00:46:19
to look at it, that you should try the replacement and then see
00:46:23
what happens, unless, of course , you're totally perfect, you
00:46:27
know.
00:46:27
And then, fine, you know there's no, it would be no use
00:46:30
to to try, of course, but that the threshold for for for
00:46:37
testing it out should be way lower yeah, right than it is now
00:46:41
yeah, yeah, that's a whole nother conversation I have to
00:46:47
get you back on can you write a book about that?
00:46:51
please.
00:46:52
Yeah, there's so many books about it, you know now so so you
00:46:56
know mindy pelts mindy pelts.
00:46:58
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, she's great.
00:46:59
Speaker 2: I don't know that she talks about the bioidentical
00:47:03
hormones, though I'm not sure if she talked about it um so, but
00:47:09
at least, uh, it's one more than a year since I met her, so yeah
00:47:13
, she wasn't at this conference.
00:47:14
So yeah, yeah and also I must also say women, what they see
00:47:19
that the week the, the pms, women with pms or pmdd, uh, they
00:47:25
see clearly on the hrv that the week before menstruation is as
00:47:31
tough as having COVID.
00:47:33
Speaker 1: Yes, yep.
00:47:34
Hrv drops heart rate increases, body temperature goes up.
00:47:38
Speaker 2: Absolutely, stress levels go up.
00:47:41
And when they start taking that into consideration and reduce
00:47:46
their stress levels for that week yeah, they can they can
00:47:49
flatten this curve out.
00:47:50
Yeah, yeah, so, so a lot of the problem is that if you are too
00:47:55
stressed, there will be too little progesterone made and
00:47:59
that is what causes the PFS symptoms.
00:48:01
So once you manage to lower your stress for that week, then
00:48:07
it will be so much easier so that I've seen so many people uh
00:48:12
, responding to me with this, with this finding yeah, yeah,
00:48:17
definitely, yeah, that's um one of the main reasons that I um
00:48:22
use the aura ring now.
00:48:24
Speaker 1: Actually, um, all right, let's, we've, we've,
00:48:28
we're doing.
00:48:29
Well, I've got, I've already.
00:48:32
I'd love to talk about the um, the, the, the out, the, the way
00:48:38
that you've laid the book out for for the listeners, so that
00:48:41
if they, if they're interested in you know getting hold of it
00:48:44
and and having a read.
00:48:45
Let's talk just a little bit about how you've structured it.
00:48:47
Um, I really like it.
00:48:49
It's super simple and like really friendly and kind of like
00:48:55
, you know, a bit fun as well.
00:48:57
Is that how it's supposed to be ?
00:48:59
Yeah, that's how I read it.
00:49:01
Speaker 2: Anyway, I think so yeah, so you know, I'm not, I'm
00:49:06
professional author, you know.
00:49:08
So I kind of write oh, I loved it.
00:49:09
I think it was really nice.
00:49:12
Speaker 1: Because I think that what your my experience of
00:49:16
reading the book was it feels like you talk about joining the
00:49:20
expedition, so it's like a personal exploration.
00:49:22
It's like an exciting.
00:49:24
It's kind of like an exciting journey where you could uncover
00:49:28
secrets, right, and the reward is that you're taking control
00:49:35
and you're being, you're empowering yourself to
00:49:38
understand how your body's working and, like, yeah, making
00:49:45
adjustments to make it work better.
00:49:47
It's great, I love it.
00:49:52
So it's got a really nice introduction um, yeah, join,
00:49:54
joining the expedition.
00:49:55
And then you, um take us through some theory about why
00:50:01
these things are important, which is a lot of what we've
00:50:03
spoken about today, and then, um , we go through some practices,
00:50:08
um, based on the different stages.
00:50:13
You the stages that you've got, which I went through before
00:50:19
they do.
00:50:20
They start in order of importance.
00:50:21
So the sleep the stress.
00:50:23
Speaker 2: Start, yeah, and ease you know, so that you know to
00:50:29
do I lost you for a minute there , so yeah, I lost you a little
00:50:32
bit there okay, so the sleep first, because, as you just make
00:50:41
it possible to sleep better, your body does that
00:50:43
automatically.
00:50:44
So all you have to do is the the tricks you know to calm down
00:50:50
one or two hours before you go to bed.
00:50:52
Make sure that you sleep for seven to eight hours and that is
00:50:55
restful sleep, and once you do that, you get more feeling, more
00:51:01
refreshed, you get more energy to do the other things that can
00:51:05
be harder.
00:51:05
so it kind of starts easy and gets a little bit harder, and
00:51:10
also try to make a little bit of variation so that stress is the
00:51:16
next chapter and then exercise and then rest, and then yeah.
00:51:22
Speaker 1: Food and so on.
00:51:23
Speaker 2: Nutrition and yeah.
00:51:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool.
00:51:25
And so when someone's going through the book, would you
00:51:32
recommend that they take a period of time, like, would they
00:51:35
go three months um, two weeks, um to, to kind of go through
00:51:40
these different stages, or is it like a personal?
00:51:46
Speaker 2: I would say that would be flexible, yeah yeah,
00:51:50
try to find out what, what would be most relevant to you.
00:51:53
Yeah, uh, which of these ones you know, some would have a good
00:51:57
good, uh, nutrition and some would have been a poor fitness,
00:52:01
you know, and I would say, um, the best probably is probably to
00:52:05
make it very individual.
00:52:06
Um, so the whatever would be your problem, you know.
00:52:11
And then a lot of people read the books one, two, three times,
00:52:15
you know, and and go back because I think it's a quite
00:52:18
easy read.
00:52:19
People say, tell me it's the fastest book they've read, you
00:52:23
know yeah so it seems to be easy just to to go back and maybe
00:52:27
read.
00:52:28
You know, if the problem is sleep, then you go back to that
00:52:31
part again, and so on yeah so, um, so, um, yeah, so, and, and
00:52:39
maybe, when you start using your variables, maybe the best thing
00:52:43
is to do nothing different for the first month or so, or even
00:52:48
more, just to see.
00:52:49
So you get your baseline, so that you know what you're
00:52:52
changing from.
00:52:53
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:52:54
Speaker 2: That could be a good idea to do nothing in the
00:52:57
beginning.
00:52:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, to just sort of keep a bit of a record.
00:53:01
Well, I guess the beauty of these things, as well as the app
00:53:04
keeps a record right.
00:53:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:53:07
Speaker 1: So you, if, if you're into writing things down, then
00:53:11
I think it's probably a good idea to write some of the things
00:53:13
down.
00:53:13
But, yeah, you can sort of go back and refer, yeah, get a bit
00:53:19
of a baseline of all of those different things and then make
00:53:23
those changes and, as you said, like people see changes quickly,
00:53:28
like within a couple of weeks.
00:53:31
So, yeah, that's kind of encouraging, isn't it?
00:53:37
What I also really love about the book is that you stay on
00:53:43
topic.
00:53:43
You take us through some of the theory of the HRV, but you
00:53:50
refer to other podcasts, other books when it comes to getting
00:53:57
specific about whether it's intermittent, fasting, whether
00:54:01
it's types of exercise, all different things, I think, which
00:54:09
is great, because then if someone does want to know more
00:54:12
theory, they can access that.
00:54:16
But it's like you're staying on topic with what your book is
00:54:18
about and it means that it is super simple.
00:54:23
It's straightforward, step by step, which is really good, and
00:54:27
it's also interspersed with quotes from people who have
00:54:31
actually followed, who did the study with you and have followed
00:54:36
those protocols and got some really great results.
00:54:39
So, yes, it's a great book, highly recommend to anyone and,
00:54:45
like as you say it's, it's like a simple, accessible thing that
00:54:50
we can all get our hands on, um to have um a really a really
00:54:57
good outcome when it comes to our life, changing our lifestyle
00:55:01
, um and what we need to do to to adjust to our own personal
00:55:07
bodies.
00:55:10
Before we close, because we are coming towards the end of our
00:55:14
hour, there's something in your book and I thought I wanted to
00:55:22
talk about this, and I don't know if many other interviews
00:55:24
would have even mentioned this, but we're called this Podcast.
00:55:28
Is is Life, Health and the Universe, and I feel like there
00:55:31
are some inklings where you reference the universe, or
00:55:37
particularly one, Page 58, it was on the book that I had and
00:55:44
it says we're all primeval stardust and I kind of think
00:55:53
that's universe thing, a universe thing.
00:55:57
Speaker 2: Can you?
00:55:57
Speaker 1: tell us what you mean by that, because I'd love to
00:56:01
hear it from a doctor's perspective.
00:56:05
Speaker 2: All our molecules are like billions of years old, you
00:56:08
know, they're just temporarily us, you know.
00:56:11
And all the the larger molecule , the larger.
00:56:15
What do you call it?
00:56:17
You know the in the periodic system I don't remember the name
00:56:21
in english at the time you know , like carbon and okay, the
00:56:25
elements, the heavier elements.
00:56:38
So they're all made from supernovas and neutron stars
00:56:39
exploding millions of years ago.
00:56:40
So to have elements that heavy they have needed a supernova.
00:56:43
So we all carry with us elements that have been around
00:56:49
for ages and through biological life they are splitting and
00:56:55
coming back and what we persist of.
00:56:58
You know, some parts of me are still in Australia.
00:57:01
When I was there 30 years ago, you know, I left some cells
00:57:05
there you, you know and picked up some new ones and shed them
00:57:08
again and uh and um.
00:57:11
So it's all a circle, um, and our, our, our molecules, um, are
00:57:19
billions of years old.
00:57:21
Yeah, and many people don't think of that or see themselves
00:57:25
in this perspective.
00:57:26
And also, you know the fact that beer we are there is end
00:57:31
result of an unbroken line of reproduction from the first cell
00:57:35
.
00:57:35
You know, every, every cell had to be successful at reproducing
00:57:39
itself from from the first cell until us.
00:57:43
You know, if one of your ancestors didn't make it, you
00:57:47
wouldn't be here.
00:57:48
So I like to look at that perspective, because it's to
00:57:57
take the hot air balloon perspective, or even further out
00:58:04
to see life.
00:58:06
You're talking a lot about spirituality and that is just,
00:58:10
um, I think, the, the knowledge, uh, and the, the presence that
00:58:16
we have, you know, to to understand these things.
00:58:19
You know that's that's, um, the spirituality, I think yeah yeah,
00:58:24
so many people live too much like everyday lives you know
00:58:27
they don't really think about these things, that it just go
00:58:29
shopping and eat and watch TV and and you know they're not
00:58:33
really taking in the experience of living.
00:58:36
So so, and I've written a book on this before I wrote.
00:58:42
It's not translated to English or sold to a worldwide publisher
00:58:47
, but it's called the camera cure.
00:58:48
It's about how to take pictures , it's about how, uh, you know
00:58:56
to when you're a photographer and then you really have to be
00:59:01
curious and to discover things and see how things really look.
00:59:04
So so there's a lot of spirituality, I think, in that
00:59:10
approach to to exploring life, you know.
00:59:14
Speaker 1: Mm, yeah, great, I um well, I called the podcast life
00:59:20
, health and the universe because of all of that sort of
00:59:23
the interconnectedness of so, so many things, and I feel like,
00:59:27
for me personally, with things like this, where we're
00:59:30
empowering ourselves by taking control of our human form we do
00:59:36
start to explore more of the possibilities of what's beyond
00:59:40
that, and so I love that quote in your book.
00:59:42
We are the primeval stardust.
00:59:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what these devices, uh, you know, hack into
00:59:51
.
00:59:51
That is what I call in the book also a living fossil, because
00:59:56
the part of our brain that is um , is this old part of the brain,
01:00:01
the reptilian brain that we have in common with all
01:00:05
vertebrates, you know.
01:00:06
And so we're tracking this foundation of our nervous system
01:00:11
that is hundreds of millions of years old, and our immune
01:00:15
system is is mostly unchanged for like 100 millions of years,
01:00:21
you know, which is why we can use rats, you know, in research
01:00:24
and tell things about how humans work.
01:00:26
You know, we, even though we divided hundreds million years
01:00:30
ago, um, so, um.
01:00:32
So I think that is interesting too, and we have to, and for our
01:00:37
intellectual brain to work, um, we need to have this foundation
01:00:42
in our brain in balance, because if you are stressed, you
01:00:47
know, our intellectual brain will not work or will work
01:00:51
poorly, you know.
01:00:52
So yeah, wow and it's, and the autonomic nervous system is a
01:00:56
very overlooked part of our physiology, of our brain, so
01:01:01
it's good that this now comes more to light definitely,
01:01:05
definitely.
01:01:07
Speaker 1: That's a wonderful um way to close.
01:01:09
Thank you so much for this really insightful conversation.
01:01:13
I am really looking forward to seeing where this book takes you
01:01:18
, because it's it's it's kind of like you know when, without
01:01:23
going, without going on on another tangent, when we, you
01:01:28
know, people buy the device because you know it's something
01:01:31
that they think that they should have, but your book actually
01:01:36
it's like a, it's like the usual , the user manual that isn't
01:01:42
available anywhere else.
01:01:43
It's like this.
01:01:44
These are the reasons that you need it and this is how to do it
01:01:47
, to make the most out of it and and for it to actually improve
01:01:52
your health, not just be something that gives you some
01:01:54
metrics, but that you actually practice some changes in
01:01:59
behavior that can improve your, your health.
01:02:02
So, yeah, brilliant book, um, thank you so much wish you the
01:02:07
best of luck with taking it out into the world.
01:02:10
Speaker 2: Australia, here we come yes, yes and it's a.
01:02:14
It's both.
01:02:15
It's also an audiobook and an ebook also, so I hope it's
01:02:20
available there.
01:02:21
Speaker 1: So amazon takes it anywhere, doesn't't it?
01:02:24
Is it on Amazon?
01:02:26
Yeah, it should.
01:02:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it will be on Amazon and all other.
01:02:30
I'm not sure how they may have to order it from England.
01:02:34
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
01:02:36
Speaker 2: But so it may take some time.
01:02:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, e-books and that sort of thing we can
01:02:42
probably get instantly.
01:02:45
Speaker 2: Fabulous.
01:02:48
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
01:02:49
I've really enjoyed our conversation and, as I said, I
01:02:52
wish you the best of luck with the continuing success of the
01:02:56
book.
01:02:57
Speaker 2: Thank you, and the best of luck to you too.
01:02:59
Speaker 1: And have a great night's sleep.
01:03:02
Speaker 2: Yes, and you have a nice day, thank you.
01:03:04
Speaker 1: Take care.
01:03:05
Bye, thank you.